Before anyone goes off half cocked about the older judges being asked to retire, think of it this way. In the first place, some of the judges who we've been told were asked, weren't.. In the second place, would you like to be judged by an older, experienced judge who needs help to get into the ring, who can't see the book to mark it, and who can't really see much of the dogs, either, but recognizes the voices of his or her favorite handler, and places the dogs accordingly? That's the conditions under which a couple of these people have been asked to resign........and I think it's rightfully so. What about a judge who has been in a nursing home, and came out to live with a former handler and his wife, who travels to the shows with that handler and wife, and then puts them up when they show to her on the same day? What about a judge who asks you to put your German Shepherd dog up on a ramp so that he can pet it...because he can't bend over to touch it at all otherwise...and when I say "pet it," I do mean "pet it," not examine it...who can't bend over to see the mouth, check testicles, or anything else? Are these the ones you want to show to? Because these are the conditions under which these same people who've been asked to resign have been masquerading as "judges." Are you sure you want to show to them? Age has nothing to do with it, and I'll be the first to agree that many of the younger, newer judges are just awful...in all the breeds. They read the magazines and know which people "should" win............ a couple of years ago I was at a show in the upper Midwest and saw a well-known GSD handler leaving the group ring, unplaced...which, on the day, was right, since the Shepherd was not sound on the day (note, I said on the day), and was also being so rowdy it needed a good correction...which it didn't get. A judge (now deceased) sitting near me called out to the handler, LOUDLY -- "that dog is just beautiful, _________" name of handler goes there........ from which I assumed that the dog would have placed in the group if she'd been judging...regardless of the unsound, rowdy performance. She should have been retired by then, too... Not everyone has the sense God gave a goose, you know...not everyone is like our own Helen Miller Fisher, who, when she found herself unable, in her own mind, to do a satisfactory job, stopped accepting assignments except when a local club had an emergency......... all judges should have that much sense. It's one thing for exhibitors to leave the ring griping that the judge is stupid, or a crook, or blind...every judge has those comments made about them some time or another...but when one is truly unable to do a decent job, and doesn't know enough to stop, someone has to step in and do it for them. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Enthusiastic Stud! & Elderly Judges > Suzanne <tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx > writes: > Yeah but what will you do when you go in the ring to judge and every boy > dog starts smiling and winking at you??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA > > Yikes! Now this would be mighty embarrassing, but only *if* I decide to > become a judge! Perhaps, in another 20 years. Nope, that won't work... > I just read the article about the forced "retirement" of elderly or infirm > judges. > > IMO, I'd rather my dog be judged by someone with *years* of experience > than a cocky, "newbie" judge. I wouldn't care if the ring steward had to > prop up the "youthfully challenged" judge or push him/her around in a > wheelchair. > > If the mind is still running on most cylinders, a judge can judge! > > Nothing can replace wisdom forged by experience. > > Paulette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx > To: Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx ; cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; > showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Help! VERY Enthusiastic Stud! > > > Yeah but what will you do when you go in the ring to judge and every boy > dog starts smiling and winking at you??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA > > -- > Suzanne > www.tsalishepherds.com > Home of BIS/BISS Ch Yancy ITs HT PT RE CD TC CGC BH, Helios IPO3, Ch > Flair, Tess, and Gilli RN, and all the others waiting at the bridge > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx > > > In a message dated 5/22/2008 12:24:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > > cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > AI is becoming all the rage, so when I become semen collector > > > extraordinaire, and my services are in high demand across the > country, I'll > > have the > > > last laugh! > > > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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