Thanks Dave......it's clear to me that a select few want to take control ( again) over this club....it's a power play....plain and simple....the good of the club and the advancement of the German Shepherd Dog is getting lost...I won't lose any sleep no matter who takes "control" over this club.....we get what we deserve...or should I say we get who we vote for , term limits would help correct some of these issues ...Ed Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fritsche" <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:08:31 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Eh?  NO GAG ORDERS?? THERE ALMOST  IS NEVER  "ONE VOICE"......and why should any Board member be held to silence on why or how they voted the way they did?? What difference does it make what "List"  a Board member belongs to when they speak of the results of a meeting.  Carolyn   marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all vote, or should, for the board members we send to Washington, or is it Chicago, Dallas, or ????? We expect them to represent us and to communicate with us, both to us and from us to the assembled board. When the board cannot be assembled by whatever means, we have an executive committee to make decision, to be later affirmed by the entire board, or not, as the case may be. The executive committee serves the board. For any member of the board or sub-committee or group of the board to presume that they are more capable, more accurate or more official than any board member, seems 'slightly' arrogant and demeans the members we send to that governing body and also denigrates our vote for them. They are all equal in position and responsibility, even if different in personality and opinion. The presumption that power is held at the top and needs to be evaluated by a few elite at the top, and communicated delicately, is what the American Revolution and the French Revolution was all about.  We, as a nation, have subscribed to the principle that power is held at the bottom, and delegated upward, not downward, and that accountability is also from the top to the bottom. So, communications must be free and open from those in power to the bosses - we the people. And, yes, that can be messy, where there is no control, no king and no one person to tell it like they want to see it told. But, aside from those foundational principles of freedom, I think our boards have primarily negotiated communications quite well. From the incident that Carolyn mentioned, as an exception, which 'got told anyway', to our current discussions in which the board has listened and reversed some unpopular decisions and has agreed to revisit others. I agree with Carolyn, most of the time in fact, and on this I think we all fundamentally agree. When there is a problem with our communications, we seem to rise up and smack our leaders around, even when they don't need it. That is part of the messiness of freedom. So, board, forgive us our jumping to conclusions that are premature and without justification from time to time, and know that if arrogance raises its ugly head in our club, the fearless nature of this breed will make adjustments to it. We have elected some great people and they pay a high price for serving us, particularly when we affirm, - 'we ain't got no king!' 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