Of course...our guyz also eat a raw diet but that's another post for another time. Paul In reply to Paul's post: After losing puppies from 4 litters, I am death on raw meat for young puppies. I HAD used it for 25 plus years with no problem, but when the problem hits, it's both a killer and heartbreaker. I used to weaned puppies on market-grade ground beef (for human consumption) and switched them to packaged frozen ground beef throat muscle meat from a large Los Angeles pet food supply company at about 4 weeks. One day I got up to find a dead puppy. It was completely normal the night before. To shorten the story, I lost many puppies over the next 3 weeks and my vet could not determine why. Upon referral, I was sent to the County of Los Angeles for further investigation. Through extensive tests and lab work they determined that it was the raw meat that killed them. Adult dogs are carrion eaters and equipped to digest dead animals, young puppies are not. Bacteria and toxins in the meat produce intera-toxins that hits the heart of the puppy and they are fine one minute, dead the next. In the wild, the dam would chew, swallow and regurgitate the food. The stomach of the dam kills the excess bacteria. What's important to understand is that contamination can happen anywhere and humans have also been the victims of raw or under cooked meat. Many restaurants today will not serve a rare hamburger. Bacteria levels can not be seen. My feeling now, "WHY TAKE ANY RISKS AT ALL" when it is not necessary. This tragedy happened to me in 1987. It was the end of raw meat for my kids. Since that time I used a high quality kibble and canned for flavor without ever a problem. I raised many champions, selects, etc., without raw meat in their diet. I like to tell my story every few years so that no one ever suffers the pain that I did. Best wishes, Helen Franklin ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================