Sad: I had a litter of 10 "Bear" (Sundance Kid) babies. I lost 9. The 10th was Ch. Von Saar's Risque. I would have fought to the death about raw because I used it for so long successfully...I also used ground chicken necks...I wonder how much influence our current bacteria filled world with all it's new deseases has to do with it? Where did the "flesh eating bacteria come from?" I never heard of that one until recently. We each do what is best for us. If we have a problem, we tell others about it so they don't suffer the same results. Raw meat killed my puppies. End of story, end of sad story. Helen Franklin -----Original Message----- From: ANN SCHULTZ [mailto:edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:16 PM To: DPiagentin@xxxxxxx; helen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Danger of Raw Meat (Helen Franklin) I feed raw chicken once a week to my dogs, BUT NOT to puppies under 6 months or old dogs. I almost lost two three month old pups a few years ago. They had parvo symptoms, but not parvo. They came down with it the day after I fed raw. I am no longer feeding Canidae as soon as it runs out, as my source is no longer carrying it. I am changing the dogs over to chicken Soup Puppy and hope to have the same good results. Ann www.geocities.com/edangsd DPiagentin@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:06:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, helen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Of course...our guyz also eat a raw diet but that's another post for another time. Paul In reply to Paul's post: After losing puppies from 4 litters, I am death on raw meat for young puppies. I HAD used it for 25 plus years with no problem, but when the problem hits, it's both a killer and heartbreaker. I used to weaned puppies on market-grade ground beef (for human consumption) and switched them to packaged frozen ground beef throat muscle meat from a large Los Angeles pet food supply company at about 4 weeks. One day I got up to find a dead puppy. It was completely normal the night before. To shorten the story, I lost many puppies over the next 3 weeks and my vet could not determine why. Upon referral, I was sent to the County of Los Angeles for further investigation. Through extensive tests and lab work they determined that it was the raw meat that killed them. Adult dogs are carrion eaters and equipped to digest dead animals, young puppies are not. Bacteria and toxins in the meat produce intera-toxins that hits the heart of the puppy and they are fine one minute, dead the next. In the wild, the dam would chew, swallow and regurgitate the food. The stomach of the dam kills the excess bacteria. What's important to understand is that contamination can happen anywhere and humans have also been the victims of raw or under cooked meat. Many restaurants today will not serve a rare hamburger. Bacteria levels can not be seen. My feeling now, "WHY TAKE ANY RISKS AT ALL" when it is not necessary. This tragedy happened to me in 1987. It was the end of raw meat for my kids. Since that time I used a high quality kibble and canned for flavor without ever a problem. I raised many champions, selects, etc., without raw meat in their diet. I like to tell my story every few years so that no one ever suffers the pain that I did. Best wishes, Helen Franklin Dear Helen, thank you for the reminder, I too used to feed raw chop meat while weaning my pups and had the same thing happen to a litter of pups, I no longer, eat steak tartare myself, and no longer give raw meat to my pups. Diane www.cavalierkingcharlesspanielsdebmar.com www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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