I find all this talk about All Breed vs Specialty interesting. I have only been in this sport for 2 1/2 years and last summer finished our first Champion. What we were taught is that there are all breed dogs and specialty dogs. The difference between the two is how extreme they were. That's it. Not that they were better dogs, but how extreme in angulation. We were also taught that in order to win in a specialty ring we had to have a well known GSD handler. We were warned from day one about the politics regarding judges and handlers. This information was heard not from one person, but just about everyone we have talked to. I personally know someone who bought a 'specialty puppy' from a breeder who co-owns and this person CAN NOT show in an all breed ring, per the breeders contract. I have been told that it is more prestigious to finish from the specialty ring. I wonder about that. The CH in front of my boys name doesn't indicate which ring it came from. I have sat ring side at both all breed and specialty and overheard conversations between judges and handlers. I've overheard conversation of judges on their cell phones after a show. These conversations would embarrass them if known. All you folks who claim only good judges and good dogs are at specialty shows and politics doesn't play a part are either lying or blind. We participate in both all breed and specialty. The best we did in specialty was Reserve and BOS. Which in my book is pretty good, seeing as we don't have an overly angulated dog. Along the way, I decided that I need to learn the standard, inside and out. That is the dog I want to strive for. The dog that best meets the standard, not the look that is most popular right now. I want the dog that has a title at both ends. One that can compete in the conformation ring, but is built correctly and can perform the way they are supposed to. The day that means the most to me is not the day my boy finished. It's the day that he placed Group 3 (yes an all breed show) under a well respected GSD judge with a handler that is not a well known handler, AND he hadn't finished yet, he had gone BOB over specials. THAT was a great day!! Dee Lauffer ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================