[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Canine Brucellosis in Michigan...IMPORTANT
- From: "Nancy Harper" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:42:21 -0400
Our experience is the same Carolyn. It is the AMOUNT of growth that makes
the difference. Some time back Caralon Kennels had the experience of Micro
rendering their stud dog sterile. The organism is everywhere however, when
the growth goes into overdrive the system is out of wack. I can't help but
wonder if the immune system is not involved in that the system cannot/ does
not have the ability to maintain a healthy balance. It would appear that
breeders have experienced the fact that micro can be passed through
breeding.
Nancy
Nancy
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From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Canine Brucellosis in Michigan...IMPORTANT
I know your opinion on this Christine. You and I have beat this one to
death on
mycoplasma...........more than a few times.......and it is one very dead
horse. <G>
I have already agreed to disagree with you on mycoplasma.
I won't get into it anymore if you don't mind ....as that was not the
purpose of my post.
We have experienced it with one of our bitches along with a few other bitch
owners
that were infected by the exact same stud. The results were devastating.
We also had one stud infected for a short time by an untested bitch years
ago.
The key to all of this just like any other bacterial issue ....if the
numbers are at an
abnormal growth....you have a problem. If you don't test....you don't
know. <G>
As a stud dog owner......we require it. What you do is up to you. I
don't see it
as a 'culture game' but protection for the stud AND the bitch to be bred
to him.
I was not comparing C.B. to mycoplasma.........not even closely! <G>
PS.....I already know Dr. Hutch's opinion on this also, and my Repro Vet who
has been to his seminars strongly disagrees according to his
experiences...as do we.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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From: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: Carolyn Martello ;
pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Canine Brucellosis in Michigan...IMPORTANT
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Steve and Christine Grainger
WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM
Carolyn, with all due respect, I am a responsible breeder and do not
require a mycoplasma test..never have..and probably never will. Why?
Because mycoplasma is NOT a VIRUS, but a free-growing and living BACTERIA
The primary difference between a Virus and a bacteria is that viral
infections DO NOT respond to antibiotic therapy..CB IS always contagious
and can be transmitted to humans as well.Back in the old days I believe it
was called "Butcher's Fever"or Undulant Fever If I am not mistaken an
outbreak of Brucellosis should be reported to the Health dept. since it
does pose a threat to humans. Mycoplasma is a BACTERIA can be found in
nearly all soil samples, under finger nails, etc.It is a normal occurring
micro-organism and in most cases does not pose a problem.Bacterias are
"free-living" micro-organisms that grow when the temp, air quality,
moisture, etc are IDEAL!They(Myco,strep,etc) CAN be treated with
antibiotics, unless they become resistant, such as some staphs and streps
have become That is why so many micro-organisms can be found in a vag.
culture,it is not a "sterile" chamber and it provides and ideal
environment
for growth.On the other hand, CB is passed through the ingestion or
inhalation of infected materials, in other words, through urine, semen,
etc. Dogs who come in contact with materials, fluids, dirt or even air
particles that have been exposed to CB can contract it and be carriers
forever. Antibiotic therapy has been attempted, but with little or no
improvements shown.
Before I wrote this I reviewed several pieces of information regarding
mycoplasma and CB. ALL listed mycoplasma as being a normal flora in the
culture. As with all cultures much depends on the amount of growth and the
host.Treating non-symptomatic animals with antibiotics "just because" for
scant, light or mild growths is more dangerous, as it kills the good germs
as well as the bad sets up as situation for creating bacteria that is
antibiotic resistant!!! If a person feels compelled to test for
mycoplasma,
all testing should be done across the board, and not solely the
responsibility of the bitch owner!!! If the "culture" game" is going to
be
played, and a person truly believes that mycoplasma is contagious, then
bitch owners should require stud dog owners to provide cultures BEFORE
every breeding or show proof that a culture has been done AFTER every
bitch
that is bred, as semen is not "sterile" and the sheath of a dog harbors a
large number of bacteria, including mycoplasma Dogs should be labeled
so-called "carriers" as well as bitches!!Christine
> Same dilemma with mycoplasma. Typically no symptoms, and highly
contagious.
> I sure hope responsible breeders are requiring these tests along with a
vaginal
> culture before breeding.
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
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