a binding contract simply means everyone lives up to the WRITTEN terms of the contract, its makes no difference what the contract says ( where is Evan when we need him)...as long as there is consideration ( a legal term) on each side...what ever both parties agree to they can also agree to binding arbitration through the GSDCA Ethic's committee...we need to police ourselves better...all I am really saying is live up to the terms of your contract...and please have one...Ed <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ed...Trust me on this..no matter who thin the pancake it has two sides. Tell me how you can come up with a binding contract when the buyer sends an agent to select his puppy? To me..this absolves the breeders of any responsibility. A contract is only as good as the money you want to spend on attorneys to enforce it. Before you sent a deposit check to the below ..the dog should have been x-rayed first..and copies of the films sent to a vet of your choice for re-evaluation. then the money transacts. When I pre -Xray before a sale..if the dog x-rays clear..the buyers pays for the films..if the dog doesn't x-ray..I pay for the films If the buyer fails to come through after I have spent the money and found the dog to x-ray clear..so what.that is to my benefit and to the benefit of a future buyer.I do STRESS, to prospective buyers that these are pre-lim evaluations and there is still an element of risk involved with OFA when the dog turns two. Since we don't breed frequently, if I owe someone a replacement, it might take awhile. I don't want to replace a dog with another that won't turn out..and as I have stated, it may take awhile to get a good one.Christine > [Original Message] > From: Edwin Hill > To: ; freelist > Date: 12/22/2006 7:46:09 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeders > > I applaud you sir!...and It is my opinion that the Ethics committee is a "paper tiger"...and I mean no disrespect to any one involved...It took me almost three months to get back a 1,500 dollar deposit on a bitch that I never took possession of because of a failed hip ex-ray, and I am both fair and patient, but if I believe you are unethical and a cheat...I will come after you...my wife says I remind her of Sony in the first Godfather movie...we should have binding arbitration when there is a contract involved...and if the party at fault fails to abide, then that person should be removed from this club...very simple...Ed Hill > alfredo pumariega wrote: I was recently taken for $ 2,500 by one of these 'Big time breeders'. I bought a show puppy bitch with "Super Star Potential". It turned out to be pet quality. The breeder, member of the Breeders Code, did not provide me with a contract in indisputable violation of the code. Now that breeder does not want to refund my money. There is no doubt that ALL these breeders care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$. They are killing the sport. And we all need to take issue with it. I am preparing a formal complaint for the GSDCA now as we speak. Lew has promised to write an article on next month's Review about the problem. > These selfish breeders get away with it because the GSDCA 's General Ethics Committee is not effective. More people need to write board members asking the club to monitor such unethical breeders. 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