In a message dated 7/12/2007 3:17:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: A couple of workers at Animal Controls spoke on the numbers they destroy.....it was depressing. WE need to also understand where these people are coming from. You hit the nail squarely on the head Carolyn. I speak to the children's group at a Women's Humane Society, a no kill shelter, (as long as they can get their hands on an animal, not so much the feral cats of dogs who are bad actors), whenever they ask. (Pet Pal's, grades 4-9). I don't know all of the alphabet soup of organizations that support this particular shelter, nor do I care. They do a good job in the community IMO; IMMACULATE facilities, low cost vet clinics, free or low cost training classes and it's rare they have a dog for adoption following a Saturday (lines form out the door, literally!) You'd never know you were walking into a shelter in fact, the facilities rival a hospital's....definitely the cream of the crop as far as shelters go. Even so, their staff is at the breaking point with all of the misery they see, and IMO you can't blame them. My point being, from this type of facility you can only go down hill, with worse impressions. I know I couldn't do what these workers do. WE can't just run around saying there isn't a problem when there most definitely is, and, yes, education is a good thing, but the issues that need to be addresses, sadly, are caused by more than an education deficit. There isn't litter after litter because people don't know a girl and a boy make babies; they want the dollars! There needs to be some distinction between the BYBs Kathy described in her post (with the GSD jumping out, bothering the neighbors) and those who are "responsible". Then you get to the whole question of defining "responsible" because some that cloak themselves with that term are far from responsible, deliberately flaunting the laws in their communities, openly scoffing at vaccine and licensing requirements. I would definitely keep the lines of communication open on this one. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================