[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: American lines and ScH
- From: Sarah Minsk <gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Helen Franklin <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:50:49 -0400
Helen,
That was EXTREMELY exciting to read!!! Wow!!!! But, not shocking since Don
Quixote was German bred on top and bottom with nice ScH lines mixed in!!! But,
this reinforces to me that combining the lines can create a great dog!!!! It
seems those early German crosses were quite versatile dogs. I wonder why people
stopped mixing the bloodlines when the dogs seemed so nice when combining the
lines.
My question is.....have some breeders of American bloodlines, through selective
breeding, bred traits that are rewarded in the conformation ring at the expense
of proper working ability and temperament? It looks like it has been decades
since an American bred (American bloodlines top and bottom through 5
generations) has been able to acquire a Championship in the ring and earn a ScH
or HGH title. I know that Darby Dan has a working dog that just stepped into
the AKC ring and finished his Championship and a top VA german showline with a
ScH 3 has a couple majors but that is all I know about due to my limited
knowledge.
Sarah
On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Helen Franklin wrote:
> The Schutzhund Dog Training Club held their training on my 5 acres in
> Brentwood Bay, B.C. in the 1980's. My U.S. Select American Champion, Select
> Canadian Champion, Covy-Tucker Hills Don
> Quixote, ROM, ROMC, OFA, TC was on the sleeve the first time he saw it, BOTH
> ON AN OFF LEASH, HE WAS HIT ON THE BACK WITH A STICK WHILE ON THE SLEEVE, AND
> HE "OUTTED"
> IMMEDIATELY AT MY COMMAND, never having heard it before. The German trainer
> refused to believe that this was an American Dog. He also followed a
> tracking trail (hot dog) the first time we
> tried it. He was fearless, and a Top top working SchH dog.........and
> yes....I do have pictures. Helen Franklin. My other conformation dog,
> Select Canadian Champion Von Saar's Prince of Wales,
> obtained his SchH1 (Select under Ed Barritt)
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Sarah Minsk <gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ok....my last comments on this!! A lot of breeders "say" their dogs can do
> ScH but they never actually do it!!! You just don't know if your dog can do
> it until you actually do it. Just because a dog is protective does not mean
> it has the nerve and balanced drive to perform bitework while under pressure
> and then immediately release upon command and perform obedience
> instantaneously!! It requires a very balanced dog in temperament. ScH isn't
> just about attacking people. In fact, that kind of aggression will fail in
> ScH judging by the personal experiences I have had at several ScH club
> training fields. It is this supreme balance in disposition that ScH will
> test for and reward. If you have never been to a ScH training field with
> your dog and trained alongside these dogs and watched the Helpers in
> protection work than you will have a hard time judging what qualities are
> needed to succeed.
>
> It would be interesting if one had the time to simply bring their dog for
> testing to a ScH club. That would involve a one time trip and no additional
> time or expense. However, it will give you a great idea of what you really
> have or think you have.....
>
> But, again, my dream is to have a Conformation dog that could get a ScH title
> and breed survey and also herd (through instinct over training). So, I have a
> lot to work towards but I think that is the true breed standard.
>
> Is it ok to focus on one without the other because of time or money? Is it
> ok to focus on conformation only and ignore the rest of the standard that
> calls for working ability? No. Is it ok to focus on ScH or herding and ignore
> the rest of the standard that calls for type and conformation. No. Why is it
> ever ok to choose one part of the standard as being more important than the
> others? There is either a standard or not....regardless of time or money.
> Yes, people can do what they want with their dogs as it is their time and
> money. But, I would hope that all breeders would want to challenge their
> dogs and do their best to conform to the breed standard both in conformation
> and working ability. It should be about protecting the breed and not just
> boosting our own egos with our hobby.
>
> But, just my two cents!! Trying to take all viewpoints and validate them and
> give them all a fair shake in my head. I don't mind if people have a
> different point of view. I will try hard to see their point regardless and
> respect their opinion.
>
> Thanks for all the responses both publicly and privately!!! I am already
> learning a lot with a lot of great advice- that I appreciate!!!!!!
>
> Thanks again,
> Sarah
>
>
>
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