I was told a long time ago Whites were not recognized because of their lack of camouflage while guarding the flocks at night. That wouldn't have anything to do with their abuilty to herd in a competition. I am not sure yet how I feel about Whites being granted a seperate breed status. If they put them in the Herding group, how long would it be before people want to join the two together. No rule in AKC is sacred and unchangeable. Glenn Murphy Shaden shepherds -----Original Message----- From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> To: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:58 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AKC and white I am opposed to white gsds having separate breed status. That being said, I ave to agree that white dogs can be good herders. I have seen white gsds do uite well in competition. I have also seen a number of Sammies that are good erders! oa r. Zoa Rockenstein ww.riverrockshepherds.com _______________________________ rom: Karen M. Carloni <kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> o: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:52:46 AM ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AKC and white On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:42:30 -0800 (PST), carolyn mckenna carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >In what group would AKC put these white shepherds ? Herding dogs are not white. The only breed in the herding group that allows a white dog is the pulik. The stock does not respect a white dog as dominant, to be obeyed. 1. The Puli is NOT the *only* AKC Herding Group breed to ave white coat color as allowable. 2. The idea that sheep or other stock do not respect a hite working dog has been largely proven to be a myth. tock are moved by the energy ("presence"), dominance nd pure intent of the dog and NOT by its color. 3. Personally, I would like to see a new White Shepherd or BS breed placed into the Herding Group, but the Working r even the Non-sporting Groups would be equally as cceptable. It doesn't bother me a bit exactly *where* hey would be placed. Just that they are. -- aren C. mail: kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx ==========================================================================POST s Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author nd of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are ermitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l anagement. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================