In what group would AKC put these white shepherds ? Herding dogs are not white. The only breed in the herding group that allows a white dog is the pulik. The stock does not respect a white dog as dominant, to be obeyed. In this country (read AKC) white "pastoral" dogs are put in the working group, not the herding group. OK delegate, what would AKC's take on this be ? Which group? Seems to me this would be quite a conundrum for them. Probably, AKC, like most of us, would rather things just remained as they are now. OTOH, we could make a bunch of new breeds out of our DQs; the hound eared shepherd; the pieballed nose shepherd; the tailless shepherd, huh ? Carolyn Carolyn ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================