Sure. If she's worth breeding though, I'd invest the time/money to do progesterone timing. One of the nicest bitches I've ever owned/finished was the result of an older gal bred to my (then young and inexperienced) male JR. She had been bred any number of times and I was told she was NOT an easy bitch to breed. Never had puppies. I took her from her owner on day 1 of her season and had an appointment w/ my reproductive guy on day 3. I had to actually talk him into starting timing so early but I WAS NOT GOING TO MISS THIS BITCH! Before the appointment, I had put her on the grooming table to make sure she was nice and clean and JR was in the garage with us. Lot of flirting going on. As I lifted her down from the table he was trying to breed her. I figured he's a baby, it was going to be his first girl...he was clueless...right? But the bitch was receptive...in fact if she's had hands, she'd have helped <G>. Easy breeding and we were late for our appointment. I explained to the reproductive guy why we were late and why when he did a slide he'd see sperm, making light of it, still thinking JR was green and clueless. Until we got the progesterone back the following morning. This gal ovulated on day 3 of her season. And it was day 3 too, it wasn't like her owner had missed anything...her discharge was almost burgundy. (No wonder she had missed those other times when bred on the "normal" 13 & 15th day and no wonder it was so hard to get her bred on those occasions!) Life lesson learned...trust the dog AND confirm w/ science. Now, this was one HECK of a nice bitch, Group winning, BOBs in both rings...but if it's worth doing it's worth spending the $$$$ to do it right. IMO Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 10/3/2010 12:06:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, arizonarick@xxxxx writes: Would you try to breed a 5 year old maiden bitch? She's been bred once when she was 3 (unsuccesfull) and then AI'ed when she was 4 (nothing). Curious what you all think. I personally feel that it's time to call it quits. Rick Haase ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================