I missed my bitch Leah 3 times in before I figured out I needed to do Progesterone, and wait to see the number 5 before a breeding was done(progesterone would sit at 2-3 for up to two weeks). Eventhough she had one litter prior, bred normal days (12-14)she missed again and again after. I found she changed her cycle to be bred day 22-24 and this is why I missed her. I was able to get 2 litters her from her after (age 5 and 6) after I figured out what I was doing wrong, and for me it was worth breeding her despite missing her several times since with her 2nd litter she was able to earn her ROM. Breeding your bitch is a decision I would make based on her pedigree, titles she has earned, OFA certifications, etc. and why you are breeding her. If it is just to get pups, no I would not spend the extra money to get her bred on the corrrect days. If it is you feell she is such quality that she has the ability to produce better than she is, than I would try to breed her again naturally using progesterone timing, waiting to see 5 (not 2-3-4), and with an aggressive stud who is proven to produce. Ann Marie www.amarigsd.com Home of Ch Fairway's Leah v Nadelwald TC ROM OFA Ch Amari's Beware of Foxy Roxy CGC TC OFA Amari's Elizabeth Taylor (Major pointed/Best in Show Bred-By winner) Breeder/Owner of R/Best in Futurity Ch Amari's Ava Gardner TC OFA Ch Amari's Bandit of Broadcreek OFA (Multiple Group Placer) Amari's Blissfull Jazz CGC TDI (Major pointed) Amari's Cinderella von Hornberger (Ch pointed) Amari's Chances Are (Ch pointed) Amari's Ella Enchanted (Ch pointed @ 7 months/Major Reserve @ 11 months) --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Rick Haase <arizonarick@xxxxx> wrote: From: Rick Haase <arizonarick@xxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] 5 year old maiden bitch To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 12:06 AM Would you try to breed a 5 year old maiden bitch? She's been bred once when she was 3 (unsuccesfull) and then AI'ed when she was 4 (nothing). Curious what you all think. I personally feel that it's time to call it quits. Rick Haase ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================