There are still 5 pt shows, it just depends on where you are..but, to answer your question, it is a combination of many things. Handlers are expensive and, like it or not, fair or not, handlers are the ones who win the points much of the time. They have experience, it is their job and they have a selection of fine animals, so I have no axe to grind. Travel is very expensive too, and many people have to either stay in their own backyard, or really limit the number of distance shows that they go to. A lot of people are tired of what they perceive are 'politics' in the dog show hobby. I mean, many think, "who needs it? Certainly the dog doesn't give a rip", Also, dog clubs, including the parent club, need to market themselves and woo the newcomer into the sport. You won't get club workers, fanciers, supporters and trophy donations from people that you snub, make to feel inferior, or make them feel bad about their dog if it is not up to 'your' qulaifications. So, these ar e just a few of the things that have reduced the number of solid 5 point shows. There are probably a billion more. Cynthia "D.G.Bonome" <lexieshep@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Does anyone out there think that we will see the 5 point shows anymore, or is that a thing of the past? When I got my 1st Shepherd, Conformation and Obedience were HUGE!! Shepherds as far as the eyes could see! Is the AKC responsible for this? The Economy? It was nice to see! Dawn __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================