I understand and part of me agrees… and maybe I’m a closet socialist… but I
just think everyone should be trained in proper firearms safety and usage and
the only way to do this with out it become something that only the wealthy can
afford (that was the whole intent of the original NFA tax stamp) is to not only
make it free but mandatory. I’m much more willing for my tax dollars to go to
this than many of the other wasted items we pay for.
Blume
On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The idea of mandatory training is not impossible, it is very possible. Look
at Australia, that is where they started, mandatory training, then mandatory
good storage, then mandatory storage at an approved facility, then reason to
own, then more and more, until it is now virtually impossible to own or use a
gun in Australia. The requirements are so expensive that only the very
wealthy (or very dedicated) have access to a gun. Some will call it a
slippery slope and that I am being too hard line, but IMHO there should be no
training required to buy or own a gun. There should be no storage
requirement. If you want to leave a loaded gun under your desk or beside my
bed, then the government should have no say in that.
To give an inch, is to move the normalcy window, and over time that leads to
losing all rights. It only takes 1 generation to forget and lose all rights.
In my humble opinion we are 1/2 generation thought that cycle right now. Your
statement that people need training seems to indicate that you, at least in
part, agree, and that you too are moving the window of what is acceptable.
If you need a closer to home example, look at the new drives license laws
here in SC. It costs over $500 to get a drivers license now, and requires a
training course from a government certified instructor. When I was 16 it cost
$20 and only required passing a test. Now, I am NOT trusted to teach my kids
to drive. I did teach them, and the course was useless. The instructors even
said my kids were doing great and didn't need to get any better before taking
the test, but they still took my money and did the hours of riding around
with my kids, before they let them take the test. Image that this same
situation starts to apply to other areas, like guns....
FYI, even if the "government" pays for it, you are paying for it in taxes and
government overhead....Every $1 the government "gives" you, costs you $7 in
future taxes (or lost value due to dollar devaluation).
Time to get off my soap box and get back to work, thanks for reading my rant
this far. I used to think people who talked like I talk now were crazy.....
On 4/30/2021 8:13 AM, blume357 wrote:
My story, got lost around Hickory N.C. pulled over for speeding (I was),
sheriffs deputy walks up to my truck and I hand him my D.L. and CWP card and
he informs me I was supposed to verbally (shout I guess) to him that I had a
gun in the vehicle and where it was before he reached the vehicle … (I
started to tell him I thought that had to be probably the dumbest idea I’d
heard in a long time but thought better of it and instead said: " I
honestly can’t do that officer” and he asked why and I replied: Because I
really don’t know how many guns I have in this truck and exactly where they
all are.” I had been thinking about this a few minutes before… had an
hour before dropped my wife off at our mountain house and had meant to leave
a couple of guns there with her and had forgotten to do this and was trying
to remember where I had stored them all in the truck, front and back, before
I got to a meeting in Charlotte. He accepted my answer and gave me
directions of how to get back on the big road and sent me on my way…
I firmly believe the real problem with guns and gun violence isa
combination of how they are portrayed on TV and the udder lack of training
for most of the public. I believe (don’t get upset by this) that to own a
firearm these days a person should be trained, and I don’t mean an 8 hour
course I mean several days and the repeated every couple of years… what do
you say? But here is how it would work… it would be mandatory and free….
our government would pay for it… and not only would the training be free
but if you were an adult you would be paid for the time you spent taking it…
it would be required in school from about 5th -12th grade.
There, I’ve thrown something totally impossible out…. but it is kind of
like the mentioned bill that would make every adult citizen of S.C. a member
of the’ unorganized’ militia. (that term just begs for a Monty Python
skit.)
Blume
On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:02 PM, MJ Dellucci <mjdellucci@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mjdellucci@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
That was the BEST story ever.
Martin wins by a landslide.
Just to keep things real, I give you this: The *only* time I was asked to
hand over my weapon, and how STUPID it is to allow a 'suspect' to handle
their weapon, the deputy would not let me unload it, and then could not
figure out how to remove the magazine. I had to take it back, remove the
mag, and slide the rack back. He acted as if he had never seen such magic
before.
I asked what he carried, and he actually pulled out his revolver to look.
Which was pointed AT me while he looked - at a revolver! Yes, I reached out
and calmly pushed it away. It would be not have done to startle this man.
To add insult to injury, when the garbage truck's supervisor showed up (it
was a multi car accident where the garbage truck clipped a car and that car
spun out and hit me), it was my ex husband.
I have never seen a white man (the deputy, not my ex) turn a whiter shade
of pale. My ex could intimidate everyone but me, but that's another story.
On the bright side, when my ex bellowed at him to put that f'ing thing
away, the deputy complied! I bet if he had seen me first my ex would not
have been so quick to yell at the deputy to put his gun away.
I don't know who I felt sorrier for, the truck driver who was getting
dressed down in front of everyone, the deputy who was getting much the same
treatment from the Sheriff, the poor lady whose Samurai (remember those
POS?) that was crinkled like a french fry, or the people stuck in traffic
behind all of this.
I am telling you that white lady privilege is a thing so long as everyone
stays calm, although I am not sure that scenario would play out the same
way in today's world.
MJ
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 11:16 AM Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
The reactions are ALL over the place. They always take my weapon for a
while. The funniest thing I have had happen was...
I was talking on my phone while driving, LEO pulls me over for that (during
the short period where that was illegal in Greenville). He walk up to the
car and (imagine a flamboyantly gay cop) asks if I knew why he was pulling
me over? I said same thing as always "I am a CWP holder and I am carrying a
weapon". He says "oh?" and asked for my weapon, at this point I have no
idea if his mannerisms are a joke or just over the top sarcasm. I ask to
unload it before handing it over. He says "ok, just don't point it toward
me". I unload my Glock 26 and hand it over. He walks off with it. He come
back and tells my about the new cell phone law, and then in the most
animated way possible, explains that my weapon is too dusty and needs to be
cleaned. He explains break down of the glock and how a q-tip can get in to
the crevasses and some oil here and here is needed. He then blows on the
gun and a small cloud of pocket lint goes into the air before handing it
back to me. He gives me a warning about the cell phone law and says "have a
nice day". Thinking about that interaction still makes me smile to this
day.
