Stan, Our dues are still $20 - $25 if one joins during the fourth quarter as that includes the following year. The reasons we've been able to maintain our rates have to do with economics. We have slightly over 200 members, which generates over $4k itself. Some of our expenses are lower than SACs (insurance, for example). Over the years we have forged an alliance with Scottsdale Community College whereby we don't have an expenditure related to a monthly meeting site. We provide a couple of star parties each year for the astronomy class in return for the room and A/V equipment. Until recently our website was hosted for free, and now we receive a very generous discount on this expense. Our largest single expense is the monthly newsletter. Besides the speakers honorariums, an occasional porta-potty rental, minimal refreshment and party expenses, and some recognition, there isn't much else to pay for... now if we ever wanted to acquire our own observing site we would be in a very different financial picture. ;-) The way I look at it is this: it's an astronomy club. It only needs to take in enough money to pay its bills - we're not looking to make a profit. Having said all that, I still think $28 annual dues is quite reasonable - I have already renewed my SAC membership for next year. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley A. Gorodenski" <stan_gorodenski@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: [sac-forum] Re: 2 subjects-money and Holiday party > Why is it that EVAC is always considerably cheaper than SAC? Their dues > are now $25. > > Rotramel, Rick (AZ77) wrote: > > >All, > > > >I don't think we need to panic concerning the SAC budget and raise the dues > >to $30.00. > > > >Lets wait and see how next year goes. > > > >The budget "looks" bad, but maybe it isn't as bad is seems. I have a tough > >time going through it the way it is presented. Maybe if one presented the > >information in a standard accounting sheet Income and Expense (two column) > >deal it would be more understandable. > > > >Rick R. > >SAC > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Steve Coe [SMTP:stevecoe@xxxxxxxxx] > >>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:39 AM > >>To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Subject: [sac-forum] 2 subjects-money and Holiday party > >> > >>Hello SAC members; > >>I just finished reading the newsletter and I have two subjects for > >>discussion and an announcement. > >> > >>The announcement first. I did not get the speakers info to the newsletter > >>editor quickly enough and the info got messed up. So, Tom Polakis is the > >>speaker for October and his subject is Planetarium Software. Brent > >>Archinal is the speaker for November and his subject is Mars Lander > >>missions that are underway and planned for the future. > >> > >>My first subject is money. If we raise the dues to 30 dollars a year, > >>will that pull in enough money to have the club be self sustaining? I > >>hate to do that, but I just don't think that we will chase too many folks > >>away with a 2 dollar increase. > >> > >>Second subject is the Holiday Party. Is there someone who is willing to > >>host the holiday party? Pretty easy to do, we show up with food, you buy > >>some drinks with SAC money and the only problem is a cleanup afterward. > >>It would be nice if it is someone fairly near the center of town, so it is > >>easy to get to. I hope someone volunteers soon. Have we chosen a date? > >>Dec. 13? > >> > >>My two cents; > >>Steve Coe > >> > >>Author "Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist" > >>Saguaro Astronomy Club website > >>www.saguaroastro.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >