Howdy SAC board; Paul, thank you for reminding me. I do believe that having the Sentinel-Schwaar Star Gaze moved to November will be a good idea. I know that several good things will come from this: we will stop having two major star parties (Messier and Sentinel) in the Spring, we will stop roasting in the Arizona Sun during the day on Saturday and this will give us a whole new set of objects to observe during the dark hours. Right now, I think that Nov. 21 and 22 will work great for 2003, so let's give it a try. I will keep it away from Thanksgiving and the All-Az, which might mean that the star gaze might slip into early December every once in a while, but I also think that will be OK. I plan on holding this conversation with the SAC meeting next Friday and I am going to post this message on az-observing right now. Let me have some input, please; Steve Coe Author "Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist" Saguaro Astronomy Club website www.saguaroastro.org