Ken, I'm not sticking my head in the sand about immigration. I agree there is some change needed. I just ask, why now? What happened to the 8 insufferable years we had before to get something done? It was all the rage after 9/11, and as soon as the mid terms were used to fire up the base, it was all but abandoned, until the next election. Politics has everything to do with it, and I'm sick of it. I'm not crazy about the Democrats either. Don't get me started. I disagree with your "they're all the same" remark, but that's neither here nor there. Anyone can have a CSC location, true, as long as it's not too close to another one. Sentinel does affect me because we go there more often than most. It's close for us. Vekol is too close for a CSC at Stone Haven. (That's how I discovered this fact.) I see no reason to delete either site. Lower our exposure to lawsuit, sure. But who's going to hold SAC responsible for the marauding hoards of brown people that Sheriffs Babeu and Arpaio can't control? Please. I've made my view plain. I'll be dropping this discussion now. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Steve Dodder Chairman, SAC Novice Group Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim Director, Stone Haven Observatory fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com > From: kengsikes@xxxxxxx > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [sac-board] Re: FW: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ > Clear Sky Charts > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:28:21 -0700 > > Steve, I have to agree with many others in the fact that politics ,or > political antics should have anything to do with this discussion. Republican > or Democrats all use the same tactics, cause doubt about the ethics of the > opposite party. It is pretty evident that there is a problem with > immigration and it is costing everyone one way or another. To not see this > is just sticking one's head in the sand. > > Anyone can have a CSC location placed on Danko's site, so the deletion of > the Sentinel site should not effect you. > > Organized clubs have an obligation to ALL the members, and in this day and > age organized clubs can be liable for just about anything with a good > lawyer. Both David and Richard realize this, thus the sound reasoning for > disassociation with the Vekol and Sentinel sites.No one is saying that no > one is allowed to use the sites, just that the clubs are withdrawing their > support and obligations concerning them. > > I remember a while back when a non-member was very very upset when a Cherry > Road outing was cancelled without notice as he had driven all the way up > there just to be by himself. That sparked a huge disscussion. > > just my thoughts > > Ken Sikes > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3