[sac-board] Re: FW: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ Clear Sky Charts
- From: Steve D. <fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: SAC Board <sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:06:14 -0700
Thank you for allowing me my political views, but right wing fear tactics and
media hype IS what this immigrant "debate" is about. The U.S. has had a cycle
of "bad immigrant" sentiment since its inception. The cycle goes like this:
America prospers and needs more, cheap labor. Immigrants fill the need.
Republican, (or "conservative" if you prefer), policies to take advantage and
make themselves rich drive the economy into a bubble which bursts, or into
recession. "Conservative" sentiment changes to hostility to the very people
that create their wealth and legislation is passed to thwart "the evil hoards".
The intended legislation results in just the opposite of what's intended and
immigrants once again flow in-from somewhere else. The economy booms, needs
more labor, until "conservatives" figure out how to exploit it, drives the
economy into the ditch and again rises up against the very people that helped.
I didn't make this up. Look at history. It happened against the Irish,
Germans, Asians, Jews and now the Latinos. (It's not just Mexicans. It's the
entire Central American continent.)
The issue has taken legs because "conservatives" are using it as shiny keys to
distract Americans from the biggest issue of this election year-the Republican
Recession, and to try to make Obama fail at any cost. Simple. The exact same
thing happened in each of the previous cycles.
Information about any risks taken from the Pinal County Sheriff is as slanted
as getting it from Sheriff Arpaio. Sheriff Babeu may as well be Arpaio. His
views are the same. His tactics would be the same if he had the funds Arpaio
has. His advice on many other issues are dangerous.
I agree with Jennifer's letter. She just said it better than I did.
I'm sick of sheeple living in fear of their own shadows and voting against
their own best interest for the sake of some perceived "security" provided by
"Conservative" propoganda.
Steve Dodder
Chairman, SAC Novice Group
Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim
Director, Stone Haven Observatory
fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com
> From: rharshaw2@xxxxxxx
> To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sac-board] Re: FW: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ
> Clear Sky Charts
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:43:25 -0700
>
> You should have seen my reply to Jennifer by now and I hope it is a workable
> solution for you.
>
> But I do not see the point of bring up this being a "right wing fear
> tactics" issue, Steve. You have your right to your political views, as do
> all of us, but such rhetoric at a time like this in Arizona does not further
> working out a solution but only serves to push people into ideological boxes
> from which compromise is not possible.
>
> I am concerned that people who are not familiar with the local situation go
> to these sites not knowing the potential (and I stress POTENTIAL) for harm
> and danger. The situation in the southern quarter of the state IS serious
> and getting worse, and people who observe in those areas need to be extra
> alert and prepared, or go to some other site.
>
>
> Richard Harshaw
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Steve D.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 PM
> To: SAC Board
> Subject: [sac-board] Re: FW: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ
> Clear Sky Charts
>
> I live here and have never seen any problems.
>
> I think you're all overreacting to right-wing fear tactics.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> What's the difference if the site is still listed on DSC? I use the Vekol
> DSC for my own observatory. Remove it, and you remove me. Rosie and I go
> to Sentinel regularly and have never had a problem. Ever.
>
> Steve Dodder
> Chairman, SAC Novice Group
> Coordinator, Grand Canyon Star Party, North Rim
> Director, Stone Haven Observatory
>
> fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> http://www.stonehavenobservatory.com
>
>
>
> > From: rharshaw2@xxxxxxx
> > To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [sac-board] FW: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ
> Clear Sky Charts
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:39:53 -0700
> >
> > Folks, I agree with Gene on this. Unless anyone voices an objection, I
> will
> > contact Danko over the weekend and have SAC disassociated with Sentinel.
> We
> > may want to also review removing it from our web page maps.
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Harshaw
> > Cave Creek, Arizona
> > Brilliant Sky Observatory
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gene A Lucas [mailto:geneluca@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:54 PM
> > To: Richard Harshaw
> > Subject: Important suggestion re: Sentinel site on AZ Clear Sky Charts
> >
> > I recently suggested to David Douglass that perhaps the Vekol Rd. site
> > on AZ Clear Sky Charts should be removed or at least the EVAC
> > recommendation be deleted, and he has taken action. You might review
> > the current listings of the Arizona Clear Sky Charts:
> > http://www.cleardarksky.com/csk/prov/Arizona_charts.html
> > ...And see the modified listing for Vekol... Perhaps a similar listing
> > for the Sentinel site would be in order, in re: the illegal traffic that
> > has been reported.
> > (At least modify the SAC connection...)
> >
> > Send a note to Attila Danko, the Clear Sky Charts honcho, if you concur...
> > mailto: danko@xxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.cleardarksky.com/index.html
> >
> > Just my two cents. (Sorry it has come to this....)
> > Gene Lucas
> > (17250)
> >
> >
>
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