[rollei_list] Re: meter calibration and focusing screen

  • From: "Nelson Chan" <cchan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 00:46:55 +0800

Hello Richard, Emmanuel, Carlos and all,

Thank you for your help.

As per your suggestion, I checked the filter correction and it is set to zero. I checked the ASA setting and it is also correct. On the meter itself, there is a wheel that you can turn and the reading changes from color n., color then a sun, color then lightbulb? and then whats look like black and white. I was using Fuji NPS 160 so I set it in color n., what is this setting for? Also, Richard suggest that I check the meter zero adjustment, when I cover the cel, the meter needle is on the front (towards the lens vs towards the film back) and on the red zone if the orientation of the camera is in shooting position. btw, I don't see the zero reading. Is the red zone the zero reading?

I run 5 rolls of film into it and I must say the pictures are stunning!!! So I guess the camera is working properly except the meter. One reason that I want to change the screen is because I have a hard time focusing the eye of my subject and some of the shots were a bit off. Should I just focus on the chin instead? :)

I am located in Manila, Philippines and I can't find a technician to fix it, so I guess any repair will be a cross continent one. I don't want to risk destroying the camera by fixing it myself so I am willing to send it half way around the globe to have it fixed. I think its time to have it CLA anyway. One minor defect is the finder's sports mode, the latch that hold down the finder's front door is not aligned, so I have to have that fixed too. Any suggestions where I can send the camera? I will be in Toronto, Canada mid May, so if there is someone there you can recommend, that will be more convenient for me. Any renowed technician in Hong Kong perhaps? Btw, my 2.8F has a serial number of 24xxxxxx and it comes with a leather case, lens hood with case and a light yellow filter with case, although the filter has a small chip which I guess can affect the picture.

Carlos, my apologies. I read your email first hence my reply to you and at that time, I did not read our fellow listers reply which answered my questions.

Thank you to all and hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely,

Nelson




----- Original Message ----- From: <bigler@xxxxxxxx>
To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: meter calibration and focusing screen



From Nelson :

Hi, I have a Rollei TLR 2.8F Planar which I inherited from my mom.
The meter seems to be off by 2 to 3 stop. Can someone recommend a
shop that can fix this?

Congratulations. Take care of this camera. Certainly you should have it checked by a competent technician. I could recommend good addresses in Europe, but you probably mean a technician in another continent ;-)

Regarding the meter. There might be several reasons why it is offset
by 3 stops.

First you should check some obvious things, at least obvious to
Rolleiphiles here ;-) First, check that the filter correction dial is
on the "zero" setting. This seems trivial, but this dial was intended
to permanently offset the meter when using a contrast colour filter
for black and white pictures. Second, check of course that the
sensitivity for film is set on the proper ISO value. On a 3,5F you
won't find 'ISO' because on the good old says, ASA settings were in
use in the New World and DIN settings in the Old World .-) but in fact
they mean the same thing and are now unified within the ISO value.

Well now that you've checked this, and if the meter is still offset by
substantially more that 1 stop, you should probably have it checked by
a competent technician, the selenium sensitive element has probably
being ageing beyond any recoverable point, an exchange of the sensitive
element might be possible and is the only way to fix this. But there
is also a very complex mechanical transmission between the thumb-wheel
control buttons on the front panel and the needle that moves inside
the am-meter housed inside the focusing knob, so there might be some
mechanical offset as well.

Suppose that everything being set to the standard positions, you
eventually get only one f-stop of offset, consistent throughout the
whole range of brightness values, then you'll just have to modify the
ASA setting and you'll be done. Unfortunately, old selenium cells have
their characteristic curve that ages erratically, and if you can
correct things at one end of the light range, the indications might be
wrong on the other end of the range. Here, this behaviour is often
referred to as 'your selenium cell has become non linear' which to my
opinion is a kind of joke, since the normal behaviour of a light meter
is to deliver values on a logarithmic scale ;-);-)

Well, not kidding, as a summary :

- check that everything that should be set to the standard value
 (filter dial, ASA setting) is properly set,

- check that by playing with the ASA setting you can, or cannot, get
 consistent readings by comparison with a reliable meter throughout
 the whole brightness range.

If everything fails, our readers on this list will immediately propose
a good technician on your continent. In the US it is quite common to
have Rollei TLRs that cross the continent coast-to-coast to be
serviced by renowned technicians ;-)

But be prepared to the fact that the meter is not economically
repairable if you caompare to the price of a good modern hand-held
meter.


Btw, the meter is a Gossen and what is the proper way of using the
meter, with diffuser or not?

Basically you use the meter like any classical meter that has a wide angle of acceptance, i.e. about the same angle of view as the angle of view of the standard TLR lens, about 50 to 60 degrees. This is pretty wide by nowadays standards where regular meters fitted with CdS or silicon light detectors "see" only about 30 degrees or less. If you use the meter without diffuser, simply point at the subject. This is called : reflection light reading. It is another tradition among Rollei TLR aficionados to point slightly toward the ground to avoid an excessive amount of light coming from the sky.

With the diffuser, you use the so-called incident light reading. This
is very simple and reliable by bright sunshine, simply point the
camera with diffuser to the sun and read. This is a perfect solution
for subjects with a not-to-wide range of brightnesses and this avoids
some mis-readings due to excessive bright or dark areas surrounding
the subject. At least the method works if you do not care for details
in those bright or dark areas !! usually for colour slides, the plague
is when bright areas are "burned-white" without details. It is
considered acceptable to "burn" the highlights in a colour slide only
if the burned areas are quite small and outside the main subject. On
the contrary, using b&W negatives you usually want to get details in
the shadows. So as you can see there is no simple answer to the proper
use of a meter.

BTW, I have found that the incident light reading is not so easy to
understand by overcast sky or very diffuse ambient light like foggy
days.

I hope you'll allow me a digression here.
The worse case I have found, where, IMHO, the classical selenium meter
fails be it with or without diffuser is a snow landscape by
overcast/grey sky. There is a strange paradox, snow looks and __is__
actually brighter that the overcast winter sky at the horizon. In fact
the overcast sky is much darker at the horizon that at the zenith.

This phenomenon is explained by Prof. Marcel Minanert in his beloved
textbook on "Light and Colour in the Outdoors".

To check this (soon for our readers of the southern hemisphere, but
you've to wait until next winter for the others ;-);-), fit your meter
with or without the incident light diffuser and point either to the
snow/ground or to the zenith, you'll find the same light reading which
is fortunate, snow cannot be brighter that the source of light
illuminating it ;-);-)

I also intend to change the focusing screen, what is the best screen
for this camera.

Your 2,8F is fitted with an interchangeable focusing screen that you can change yourself without tool. Doing this you have no risk to change the proper registration, so in principle the position of the screen does not have to be fine-tuned by a technician. There are several aftermarket "bright" screens ; personally I like the original screen and I have only changed it on a used Rolleicord Vb only because it was exceedingly scratched by unfortunate attempts to clean it by the previous owner. Original Rollei TLR screens are made of a kind of plastic which can be scratched easily. Old TLR screens before 1958 were true ground glass but were quite dim.

I got a new screen for my Rolleicord from Photo Suffren in Paris who
has a supply of modern 600x-like modern screens, but cut to the exact
size of classical (1958-1981) rollei TLRs ; newer (post-1987) GX/FX
screens are in fact slightly smaller that the older ones (they are the
same as the SL66 and 600x series), like you have on your 2,8F. This
new screen is identical except for dimensions to the ones that fit the
600x Rollei SLR series. It is definitely much brighter and a pleasure
to use.

To my opinion changing the screen is not an absolute priority. Fixing
the meter is also not the priority since you can use an independent
hand-held meter. The absolute priority to me is on mechanics and
optics. The optics should be perfectly clean, the shutter should work
perfectly.

There is something extremely important that was explained to me by one
of the Parisian Rollei experts, Gérard Métrot (Photo Suffren), and I
am sure everybody here will agree, this has been discussed many times,
i.e. that the front panel that carries the optics should be perfectly
aligned and in perfect registration with respect to the film plane.
Many users of used TLRs blame their optics for un-sharp results before
having the camera checked by a technician for proper mechanical
alignment. When a Rollei TLR is properly aligned, the results you get
are so amazingly sharp for somebody that has only an experience with
small format cameras, that it is unbelievable ;-);-)

So you should make a roll of film, I would recommend a roll of fine
grained colour slides like a Kodak Ektachrome G or Fuji Provia and
you'll immediately see if the results are sharp, the colours correct,
etc... Of course for this you'll have to use a separate meter, but you
can use a 35Mm SLR camera of use the readings.

Good luck and do not hesitate to ask all the questions here !!

--
Emmanuel BIGLER
<bigler@xxxxxxxx>
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