[rollei_list] Re: Peter K. and The Survivability of Film
- From: "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:45:39 -0800
Yes, but can you go out and buy a NEW record that will play on it at a local
store? So while it is around, it is still used by a small part of the
population.
People always justify what they own or do. CDs to my ear (key phrase)
sounded better. I switched because I no longer had to worry about the
crackling and pops or turning the record over to play side 2. Granted MP3s
do not, but as I age I cannot hear as well as I once did. Moot point.
But hey, if you enjoy it that is great. I have a friend who spends a fortune
on Tube amps and preamps with each channel amplified separately and uses all
the high end electronics to play his vinyl. For me, its not worth the money.
But everyone is different.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Actually, yes Peter I own and regularly play a Victoria VV VI. The
> acoustic fidelity is quite good.
> It is interesting to note why vinyl LPs disappeared rapidly during the mid
> 80's. It wasn't because CD were better. They were not. It wasn't because
> vinyl was an old, outdated media. It is argued that like film vs. digital
> pictures, vinyl LP's have more data than the average CD and certainly more
> than MP3 files. It was because LP's cost more to produce than CDs and the
> record industry found they could make more money selling CDs. What the
> industry did was to refuse unsold LP returns while allowing returns of CDs.
> Seemingly overnight, the record stores switched over to CDs and vinyl was
> relegated to those like myself who remember how good music used to sound.
>
> Its not how much better something is that causes change - its how much
> money somebody can make if it does.
>
> Rob
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Peter K. wrote:
>
> You are dreaming in technicolor. I bet you think people still use 8mm movie
> cameras. Marc, they are not even using video tape any more. Its solid state
> memory.
> Oh you can buy it, but the market is very very small. So 100 years from now
> they will not even know the word film. It will be like these days if you are
> looking for a Victrola. Although I am sure someone on "this list" uses one.
> :-)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Marc James Small
> <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Peter
>>
>> With all respect, film is going to survive for a hundred years or more.
>> Sources will be restricted. Processing plants ill be restricted. But it
>> will survive. Kodachrome is clearly doomed, but E-6, C-41, and
>> schwarz-weiss emulsions will continue for our lifetimes and a lot more, and
>> I am only 59, and we folks only die of terminal nastiness in our 80's. So I
>> have a good quarter-century or more to go, and, yes, I am planning on
>> continuing to use film during this time. I am surprised that you seem to
>> believe that film is evaporating from the marketplace. It is not. I would
>> agree with you if you had stated that it would become a niche product and
>> that little further research is being done on improving films and chemistry
>> and papers. That all seems very clear.
>>
>> But you seem to be suggesting that by, say, 15 AUG 2009, film will be NLA.
>> I find that position absurd. Film and papers and chemistry will continue
>> to be available for centuries. Shucks, you really are not plugged-in very
>> well, Peter. There are still folks out there doing Daguerrotypes (sp?). Go
>> figure. Us analogue Luddies will be around for your lifetime.
>>
>> Digital still cannot match the quality of film. At some point, it will do
>> so, an that might shift my calculus a bit. I doubt that this will occur in
>> my lifetime but, then, what do I know?
>>
>> I'm not fighting with you. But, pray bear in mind that digital is not the
>> answer to everything. Some of us are comfortable with film as, as long as
>> the market remains decent, film, paper, and chemistry will stick around.
>> Enough for my lifetime and, I expect, my son's as well. Beyond that? Ich
>> weisse ist nicht, a Stuttgart phrase.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>
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