[rodgersorgan] Re: New List Member in Utah
- From: Bardo Ellen <Ellen.Bardo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:50:24 -0400
You're right, the research is sure to be interesting. One thing I can say
about my Rodgers Representative is he never bashed the Allen or Church Organ
System product. In fact he recommended we go listen to as many
installations as we could and make our choice based on what we heard.
You're also right when you say the installation is important. Our COS
dealer offered to set the model we were looking at in the church for a week
and let me play it and use it on a Sunday morning for a service so the
people could hear it. His biggest mistake was insisting we didn't need
speakers in an attempt to keep the price down. He proved we needed the
speakers because people noticed a big difference when the Rodgers dealer put
in a 577 for me test play and they put in speakers. I found the Rodgers
representative to be very professional and he was willing to let their
product sell itself (and it did).
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Brickett [mailto:dbrickett@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:34 PM
To: rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rodgersorgan] Re: New List Member in Utah
Rick-
Thanks for listing your Rodgers vs. Allen reasons. I own a 25-year-old
Allen which we use at church. I hope that the church will be
purchasing a new organ within the next 5 years. I have felt for some
time that Allen constructs a better console but Rodgers sounds and
capabilities frequently beat the Allen. It will get very interesting
as we begin researching them in earnest.
Doug Brickett
Organist
Vista Grande Baptist Church
Colorado Springs, CO
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:39 PM, Rick Vincent wrote:
>
> Why Rodgers versus Allen. I have to be careful with this
> one. First, the Allen dealer here in Utah and where I was at
> in Idaho were very good dealers. I came close to buying an
> Allen as a replacement but backed off after I went through
> an Allen organ stop by stop and found some sound problems.
>
> I actually built a huge spreadsheet comparing the
> differences between equivalent cost Allen, and Rodgers
> organs. In many areas Rodgers was better, in several Allen
> was. I also looked at Church Organ Systems, Ahlborn-Galanti,
> Johannus, and Viscount.
>
> In fact, in one day in July I did a 200 mile drive so I
> could sample each of the organs at each dealer. Allen and
> Rodgers had better sounds than all the rest, in spite of the
> fact that the American brands are often twice the cost for
> equivalent stop numbers.
>
> But in the end, I felt the Rodgers came closest to
> replicating a classical pipe organ--based on my own
> subjective interpretation of about 20 measurements. That
> doesn't mean Rodgers is better than Allen for everyone, just
> to my ears, my pocketbook, and my research.
>
> I've found that it's often difficult to listen to dealers
> rip on each other in terms of the quality of samples, etc.
> You can say that a Johannus organ has the highest sample
> rate per rank of any organ (except Walker), but if it isn't
> voiced, amplified, and installed correctly, all of those
> individual note samples won't do a bit of good.
>
> Also, in Allen's defense, no one can doubt the quality of
> their service and that they back up their product for years.
>
> But Allen is very slow to introduce new technology. They've
> made only minor annual upgrades since Renaissance was first
> introduced. Although Renaissance sounds great compared to my
> current Allen models, sound/computer technology made leaps
> and bounds in the last five years.
>
> I also, honestly, looked at this list and the Allen list.
> This list seems to be a great community dedicated to
> utilizing the Rodgers features and promoting sacred and
> classical music. Allen seems to have captured many of the
> theatre organ crowd with whom I don't easily identify (I'm
> only 34, sorry). It seemed like I fit the mold of the
> Rodgers community better than the Allen Theater Organ
> Community.
>
> So, I'm glad to be here and I'm not looking back. I will,
> however, look at Allen again in ten years and see if they're
> not still resting on their laurels (and an ancient MDS
> Expander II!).
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>>>> candk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 09/17/03 19:38 PM >>>
>
> Rick:
>
> Havng owned two previous Allen organs, can you tell us why
> you decided to s=
> witch?
>
> Thanks
>
> KRK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Vincent" <vincenri@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:59:33 -0600
> To: <rodgersorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [rodgersorgan] New List Member in Utah
>
> Hello, my name is Rick Vincent. I am a new list member from
> Provo, Utah.
>
> I just purchased a Rodgers 967, to be installed in about a
> month (I can't wait).
>
> I've read through some of the posts on the list and see that
> the Rodgers community is a very active one and very focused
> on music.
>
> I also own two older Allen instruments, but will be giving
> those up to make room for the big three manual. Therefore, I
> cancelled my subscription yesterday to the Allen Owners list
> and am coming over to the other side.
>
> Rick
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