The Department of Interior ( Bureau of Land management ) The government but we are told it is Public ground Jack G From: roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:roc-chat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lee Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:37 PM To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [roc-chat] Re: solo Richard Who owns the land that the BLM manages? Lee Scott Cell 626-434-5810 On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:22 PM, "R Dierking" <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: There's a misunderstanding about the requirement for BLM permits for Lucerne Dry Lake, and I think it's good to keep the facts straight. Any organized group needs a permit. At Lucerne there is no threshold for the number of vehicles or Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:57 PM, "Michael Klett" <xsive.guy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'm not really knowledgeable so I should probably keep my yap shut but I find that very difficult. ;-) My understanding is that you would be OK with the model rockets (see the CA definition of model rockets) but not with the high power as long as there were not more than some small number of you. (Too many people and it's considered an organized event subject to BLM approval and fees.) To fly HPR I think you need to get the FAA waiver and you need to be a Cal Pyro Level 3 or have a Cal Pyro 2 with you. Of course, I'm probably wrong but at least I put a target up for some darts... Thanks, Mike On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Rocket1Dog <rocket1dog@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Lets suppose that I have an assortment of model, mid and high power rockets I want to fly on the lake bed. Not in association with any one or any group or club. I am a NRA member and a L2. Would I be able to do this and not have the BLM nor State fire upset? If not, why? Thanks