[realmusicians] Re: welcoming Indigo

  • From: Chris Belle <cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:39:00 -0600

Weird stuff sure does happen with these beasts.

One of my students, experienced a really rotten thing where by he didn't put in a password, or Jim didn't but all of a sudden he gets a log on screen where w7 thinks he wants to change his password but ofcourse, there wasn't a password and it will want the old and neww one to change it, and he can't get to the desk top or anything.

Jim didn't have any idea why this happened either.

In cases like this, I go for the imaging program.

One can spend months trying to find the needle in the haystack, where as a quick re-imaging of your operating system takes 10 minutes, and your back to a good working place.

I think you are experiencing better performance because you put out a little more for better hardware.

it may have not been configured for a daw with parts one would pick, specifically for that, but something in between the bargain machine and the daw, and the right combination of hardware and software makes all the difference in the world.

and you got a pretty good combination.

Those onboard intel graphics aren't too bad, but you do have to disable the hot keys, they'll conflict with wineyes hotkeys.

You know, the ones to turn your display upside down and stuff like that.

Microsoft is changing all the standard again and mirror drivers are going away, and direct to d and ui are the coming thing.

So in a sense, w7 is a transitional os, since in 2k and xp and all the related
server 2003 etc,
operating systems, the core was pretty much the same.

tom could tell us a lot more about that since he's the resident geneous programmer, and probably Roy too, but it's good to hear you are experiencing stability with w7 because I'm sure not with wineyes.

Not with my hardware anyway, but it is very stable with xp.

and usually when I do loose speech with xp once in a very great while, I use nvda to get it back.

One other thing comes to mind.

You were talking to me about sharing drivers with your speech, that's a no no.

audio interfaces do funny things when they are asked to handle different sampling rates at the same time.

You wouldn't want your 22k sapi speech messing up your nice 24 96 recording, so you should always give your daw it's own card, and pipe window-eyes or jaws elsewhere.

You know what?

Even sometimes when I am using sapi speech and I know window-eyes is going to a different card, and sonar has the onyx, if I happen to use sapi, then even though this is not supposed to hapen, remember everything has it's own hardware, I'll get interaction to where sonar plays something really slow or the sapi speech sounds like the chipmunks.

this is one reason I tend to favor an external speech box.

We have to use some sort of speech for our work, but in a standardly configured daw, onboard sound cards are usually disabled, and using any other audio device besides what you are recording with is not recommended.

So as much as you can, give your daw whether it be reaper, sonar, anything exclusive access to any particular device.

And in my experience, the better the audio device, the pickier it is.

for instance, my delta cards which are very decent but not the most
expensive devices on the block and older devices handle 22k 11k anything 8 bit,k what ever I throw at it just fine.

but the onyx doesn't like anything below 44.1 16 bit.

so even with winamp streams, I'll run them through the delta card, and only have the onyx for sonar.

The realtech I hardly use except for skype or something like that as a microphone input, since the onyx is an analog board, I don't have issues with sample rate conversions and such running all my cards together and moving audio between them.

Sometimes old tech is the best tech,
you could accomplish the same thing with any old board that has enough i-o aux sends and sub mixes, and direct outs.

I rumaged around and found the right cable so not I have all three sound cards, plus the tripple talk all going through the board.

I tell you what,
old tech,  sure helped the other day and this is the senario.

I bought Stephie a 16 bit thumb drive.

she was trying to fill it up, and

at some point it got a bad sector or something and everytime we put it in windows, it's hang the system, rying to access the drive, you couldn't pull down the context menu in my computer to format it or anything.

Windows if you could get it to talk at all said something about corrupt data and write behind failed, well, i booted to dos yes even in this fine i7 machine I made sure i had a floppy drive, I could have done the same thing with a dos thumb drive, but I was able to reformat the thumb drive in dos, and guess what?

works flawlessly.

Windows was so dumb, it didn't know to not keep trying to access the drive and what's more, old format and fdisk will mark bad sectors, but i don't think windows will.

so sometimes, low level tools work better for low level tasks like this.

Probably what happened, since fat32 is not a journaling file system like ntfs, that means technically, i don't know if I completely believe it, but your not supposed to be able to screw up the file system on an ntfs drive by getting interrupted in the middle of a write operation, but probably the thumb drive got pulled out during a write operation, or maybe it was bad from the factory,
just the right sector that hung windows up tryin to mount the drive.

I don't know if windows 7 would have been able to deal with this, but xp sure couldn't.

Well, that's my babble for this morning, hope everyone's doing ok.



At 09:21 AM 11/14/2011, you wrote:
Hi folks,
It's great to be where folks know Winize, and can offer tips
I'm wondering why I'm getting wonderful stability with Winize 7.5.1 and Windows 7 64,on my new Intel music machine, but don't get any jumping to items in the control panel when I hit the first letter of the control panel item's name. I don't ever remember that feature missing anywhere in Win7, or remember anywhere to turn it off or on.
Wow, Windows sure is a peculiar beast, ain't it?
When I'm burned out and ready to shut down, this other machine, AMD Phenom based; usually offers sleep as a choice. Recently it changed to hibernate instead of sleep, then reverted back to sleep the next day. I sometimes think the old science fiction plot that computers would eventually get personalities and ideas of their own may be coming about already. smile.
Indigo L


On 11/14/2011 6:58 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
Welcoming Indigo to our little assorted motley crew 'grin'.

It's a very friendly and highly motivated and productive group over here.

You'll have plenty of window-eyes company too, since Ross, tom, and myself
Roy, Eddy, and Megan all use window-eys.

Definitely not a jaws dominated list.

We've been
discussing operating systems, reason, omnisphere, and everything else.

I hope you stick around because your in to about everything,
maybe you could give my wife some pointers on flute since you play some.

She's getting the hang of it,
and perhaps I can help you out with some stuf too.

I just want to do it all in one place.

I'll address some of your issues here about your networking concerns so
everyone can benefit, and there is a systems builder here, DJX is quite
knowledgeable about these things, and we haven't found a good tool to
measure Tom's iq yet 'grin'.

But even though it's sort of the cardinal rule not to put your music
machine on line, you can disable your network at any time, in xp


go to control pannel, and network connections, and local area
connections, hit the file menu and it's a togggle in there.

with w7, I forget the exact procedure right now, but if you type network
in the search box, you'll probably find it.

Everyone here is running w7 now, I'm the old die hard
who's still holding out, but the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

Let's see if the next incarnation of window-eyes is more stable with w7.

but if you don't go browsing and doing unnecessary email
and other junk on your music machine, it's not the worst thing in the
world to have it on-line.

YOu need to get a router, so you can have multiple machine on line, and
that will help you be more protected too.

Just using nat itself offers a little protection, and many routers have
firewalls and dmz and also, I don't know if this works for w7, but I use
something called drop my rights, written by microsoft or an ex employee
or something, and wha that does is that anything you run through it
makes you not an administrator, that's how lots of these grubbies get
in, because with xp,
people went surfing as an administrator, i run ie and firefox and
whatever with diminished rights and we have not had any trouble since I
did that.

w7 of course has beefed up security, but whatever you do, don't run ie 9
it's not ready yet.

Also as you know, imaging your system is very important,
so you can return to a good known state.

so before you do anything really important, I'd highly recommend that.

Image for windows dos and linux from terrabyte is the best and most
accessible with the most options for us, and is recommended by the cavvy
school I forget who sponsors i, Stephie could tell you, but it's yeh
sisco, that the one, but they use that and I can tell you it has saved
my but more times than I could remember.

If you spring for a speech synth, tom and I both like to run one,
granted, it's an investment, but if you do, you will have independance
with doing your own back-ups interactively.

It's the only way to fly when your blind 'grin'.

for those machines that don't have a com pot, you can use the linux
versiion to ssh in via a network cable and control things that way, i
haven't done this yet, but i know it can be done.

Other blind folks are doing it.

But as long as they've got serial port headers on motherboards, and we
don't have talking installs like they do on the mac, you won't catch me
buying a machine without one.

There's also something called the weasel, which I'm poanning on getting,
which gives us access to the bios.

YOu don't have any pci slots though, and I don't think there's a pci
express version yet.

It's about 3 bills, I saw it demonstrated in one of the cavvy classes I
audited, and it's great.

I don't build systems as often as djx does, but I do just enough of it
that at some point, it might warrant me getting something like this.

It'll certainly help with configuring machines, and the most important
stuff happens in the bios, like turning off that pesky real-tech card,
or turning off real time event monitoring, or putting your machine in
ahci mode turned off.

or changing your boot record, or adjusting video memory if you have to
share, and adjusting cpu throtling, that's important when configuring a
daw.

YOu ant to turn off all these power savin things that might cripple your
machine and raise your dpc latency.



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For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us at

www.affordablestudioservices.com
or contact
Chris Belle
cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
or
Stephie Belle
stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
for customized web design


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