[realmusicians] Re: welcoming Indigo

  • From: Indigo <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:27:55 -0500

Are you saying there are Intel hot keys that cause the screen to suddenly be lying on its side, and it's a conflict with Winize hotkeys?

Where are those Intel hot keys?
This used to happen all the time on our old pentium machine, and my poor wife would get a crick in her neck, with her head lying on her shoulder to read the screen, trying to get the desktop set back up on its feet, so to speak. smile.

As far as I know, no drivers are shared between The Emu sound card and RealTech onboard sound. You say it's better to have both on 24 bits, which is the default for the Emu. I noticed that Winamp's output also sets to 24 bits, which is fine with me, I do have some 24 bit loops, and Winamp's output now goes through the Emu card only, so I'll go back and configure that to 24 bits as well
I assume it'll still have no problems playing 16 bit loops..
As for the lost password for log in to the computer, on MSI and some other motherboards, there's a switch to clear the password, and I think you can clear the CMOS and lost password on any motherboard, by moving a jumper. I tried the jumper trick on one hopeless motherboard some years back, because it rebooted again and again, but now I think it was probably bad ram causing that, or maybe that dratted RootKit virus, nothing at all to do with the CMos.

I noticed an interesting thing yesterday, in Device Manager, it shows 3 sound devices, the Emu card, something by Intel, and the RealTech onboard chip. I'll need to go back and learn what that Intel sound device is, and what it's good for, or what harm it might cause.
On 11/14/2011 11:39 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
Weird stuff sure does happen with these beasts.

One of my students, experienced a really rotten thing where by he didn't
put in a password, or Jim didn't but all of a sudden he gets a log on
screen where w7 thinks he wants to change his password but ofcourse,
there wasn't a password and it will want the old and neww one to change
it, and he can't get to the desk top or anything.

Jim didn't have any idea why this happened either.

In cases like this, I go for the imaging program.

One can spend months trying to find the needle in the haystack, where as
a quick re-imaging of your operating system takes 10 minutes, and your
back to a good working place.

I think you are experiencing better performance because you put out a
little more for better hardware.

it may have not been configured for a daw with parts one would pick,
specifically for that, but something in between the bargain machine and
the daw, and the right combination of hardware and software makes all
the difference in the world.

and you got a pretty good combination.

Those onboard intel graphics aren't too bad, but you do have to disable
the hot keys, they'll conflict with wineyes hotkeys.

You know, the ones to turn your display upside down and stuff like that.

Microsoft is changing all the standard again and mirror drivers are
going away, and direct to d and ui are the coming thing.

So in a sense, w7 is a transitional os, since in 2k and xp and all the
server 2003 etc,
operating systems, the core was pretty much the same.

tom could tell us a lot more about that since he's the resident geneous
programmer, and probably Roy too,
but it's good to hear you are experiencing stability with w7 because I'm
sure not with wineyes.

Not with my hardware anyway, but it is very stable with xp.

and usually when I do loose speech with xp once in a very great while, I
use nvda to get it back.

One other thing comes to mind.

You were talking to me about sharing drivers with your speech, that's a
no no.

audio interfaces do funny things when they are asked to handle different
sampling rates at the same time.

You wouldn't want your 22k sapi speech messing up your nice 24 96
recording, so you should always give your daw it's own card, and pipe
window-eyes or jaws elsewhere.

You know what?

Even sometimes when I am using sapi speech and I know window-eyes is
going to a different card, and sonar has the onyx, if I happen to use
sapi, then even though this is not supposed to hapen, remember
everything has it's own hardware, I'll get interaction to where sonar
plays something really slow or the sapi speech sounds like the chipmunks.

this is one reason I tend to favor an external speech box.

We have to use some sort of speech for our work, but in a standardly
configured daw, onboard sound cards are usually disabled, and using any
other audio device besides what you are recording with is not recommended.

So as much as you can, give your daw whether it be reaper, sonar,
anything exclusive access to any particular device.

And in my experience, the better the audio device, the pickier it is.

for instance, my delta cards which are very decent but not the most
expensive devices on the block and older devices handle 22k 11k anything
8 bit,k what ever I throw at it just fine.

but the onyx doesn't like anything below 44.1 16 bit.

so even with winamp streams, I'll run them through the delta card, and
only have the onyx for sonar.

The realtech I hardly use except for skype or something like that as a
microphone input, since the onyx is an analog board, I don't have issues
with sample rate conversions and such running all my cards together and
moving audio between them.

Sometimes old tech is the best tech,
you could accomplish the same thing with any old board that has enough
i-o aux sends and sub mixes, and direct outs.

I rumaged around and found the right cable so not I have all three sound
cards, plus the tripple talk all going through the board.

I tell you what,
old tech, sure helped the other day and this is the senario.

I bought Stephie a 16 bit thumb drive.

she was trying to fill it up, and

at some point it got a bad sector or something and everytime we put it
in windows, it's hang the system, rying to access the drive, you
couldn't pull down the context menu in my computer to format it or

Windows if you could get it to talk at all said something about corrupt
data and write behind failed, well, i booted to dos yes even in this
fine i7 machine I made sure i had a floppy drive, I could have done the
same thing with a dos thumb drive, but I was able to reformat the thumb
drive in dos, and guess what?

works flawlessly.

Windows was so dumb, it didn't know to not keep trying to access the
drive and what's more, old format and fdisk will mark bad sectors, but i
don't think windows will.

so sometimes, low level tools work better for low level tasks like this.

Probably what happened, since fat32 is not a journaling file system like
ntfs, that means technically, i don't know if I completely believe it,
but your not supposed to be able to screw up the file system on an ntfs
drive by getting interrupted in the middle of a write operation, but
probably the thumb drive got pulled out during a write operation, or
maybe it was bad from the factory,
just the right sector that hung windows up tryin to mount the drive.

I don't know if windows 7 would have been able to deal with this, but xp
sure couldn't.

Well, that's my babble for this morning, hope everyone's doing ok.

At 09:21 AM 11/14/2011, you wrote:
Hi folks,
It's great to be where folks know Winize, and can offer tips
I'm wondering why I'm getting wonderful stability with Winize 7.5.1
and Windows 7 64,on my new Intel music machine, but don't get any
jumping to items in the control panel when I hit the first letter of
the control panel item's name.
I don't ever remember that feature missing anywhere in Win7, or
remember anywhere to turn it off or on.
Wow, Windows sure is a peculiar beast, ain't it?
When I'm burned out and ready to shut down, this other machine, AMD
Phenom based; usually offers sleep as a choice.
Recently it changed to hibernate instead of sleep, then reverted back
to sleep the next day.
I sometimes think the old science fiction plot that computers would
eventually get personalities and ideas of their own may be coming
about already. smile.
Indigo L

On 11/14/2011 6:58 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
Welcoming Indigo to our little assorted motley crew 'grin'.

It's a very friendly and highly motivated and productive group over

You'll have plenty of window-eyes company too, since Ross, tom, and
Roy, Eddy, and Megan all use window-eys.

Definitely not a jaws dominated list.

We've been
discussing operating systems, reason, omnisphere, and everything else.

I hope you stick around because your in to about everything,
maybe you could give my wife some pointers on flute since you play some.

She's getting the hang of it,
and perhaps I can help you out with some stuf too.

I just want to do it all in one place.

I'll address some of your issues here about your networking concerns so
everyone can benefit, and there is a systems builder here, DJX is quite
knowledgeable about these things, and we haven't found a good tool to
measure Tom's iq yet 'grin'.

But even though it's sort of the cardinal rule not to put your music
machine on line, you can disable your network at any time, in xp

go to control pannel, and network connections, and local area
connections, hit the file menu and it's a togggle in there.

with w7, I forget the exact procedure right now, but if you type network
in the search box, you'll probably find it.

Everyone here is running w7 now, I'm the old die hard
who's still holding out, but the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.

Let's see if the next incarnation of window-eyes is more stable with w7.

but if you don't go browsing and doing unnecessary email
and other junk on your music machine, it's not the worst thing in the
world to have it on-line.

YOu need to get a router, so you can have multiple machine on line, and
that will help you be more protected too.

Just using nat itself offers a little protection, and many routers have
firewalls and dmz and also, I don't know if this works for w7, but I use
something called drop my rights, written by microsoft or an ex employee
or something, and wha that does is that anything you run through it
makes you not an administrator, that's how lots of these grubbies get
in, because with xp,
people went surfing as an administrator, i run ie and firefox and
whatever with diminished rights and we have not had any trouble since I
did that.

w7 of course has beefed up security, but whatever you do, don't run ie 9
it's not ready yet.

Also as you know, imaging your system is very important,
so you can return to a good known state.

so before you do anything really important, I'd highly recommend that.

Image for windows dos and linux from terrabyte is the best and most
accessible with the most options for us, and is recommended by the cavvy
school I forget who sponsors i, Stephie could tell you, but it's yeh
sisco, that the one, but they use that and I can tell you it has saved
my but more times than I could remember.

If you spring for a speech synth, tom and I both like to run one,
granted, it's an investment, but if you do, you will have independance
with doing your own back-ups interactively.

It's the only way to fly when your blind 'grin'.

for those machines that don't have a com pot, you can use the linux
versiion to ssh in via a network cable and control things that way, i
haven't done this yet, but i know it can be done.

Other blind folks are doing it.

But as long as they've got serial port headers on motherboards, and we
don't have talking installs like they do on the mac, you won't catch me
buying a machine without one.

There's also something called the weasel, which I'm poanning on getting,
which gives us access to the bios.

YOu don't have any pci slots though, and I don't think there's a pci
express version yet.

It's about 3 bills, I saw it demonstrated in one of the cavvy classes I
audited, and it's great.

I don't build systems as often as djx does, but I do just enough of it
that at some point, it might warrant me getting something like this.

It'll certainly help with configuring machines, and the most important
stuff happens in the bios, like turning off that pesky real-tech card,
or turning off real time event monitoring, or putting your machine in
ahci mode turned off.

or changing your boot record, or adjusting video memory if you have to
share, and adjusting cpu throtling, that's important when configuring a

YOu ant to turn off all these power savin things that might cripple your
machine and raise your dpc latency.

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