[real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
- From: "Kimberly A. Morrow" <morrowka@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:29:50 -0600
Jim,
I've never had any type of formal training with Voice Over with the
exception of the day I purchased my various Apple products, hence my
ignorance here: I downloaded "pages", but when I access it, it appears
to be a blank tablet without any type of keyboard interface. I'm
obviously missing something major. Is there a tutorial for pages?
Kim
Kimberly Morrow, PhD
Communications Specialist
Message of Hope Ministry
1901 NW Blue Parkway
Unity Village, MO 64065-0001
message-of-hope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 866--421-3066 (Toll-free)
Hours: M-Th 7:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m. (CT)
Kimberly A. Morrow
Outreach Specialist - Unity.fm
Unity
1901 NW Blue Parkway
Unity Village, MO 64065
816-251-3588
http://www.unity.org/
http://www.dailyword.com/
http://www.silentunity.org/
http://www.unityvillage.org/
http://www.unity.fm/
http://www.unityinstitute.org/
http://www.unitymagazine.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Fettgather
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:52 AM
To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
These assertions are outrageous!
Some of the below statements are accurate, others are completely
incorrect.
Office for the Mac is not accessible, that is 100% right.
The applications in I-life 11, Pages, Numbers, and others are accessible
and work very well with Voiceover.
Many many individuals are doing college work using Voiceover and Pages.
Precisely formatted documents, headers, footers, footnotes, endnotes,
working with tables, all are very doable.
Those who say otherwise must work for Freedom Scientific!
Either that, or they have had no training in the use of Voiceover and
productivity applications like I-life 11.
I'm telling you, firsthand, and I am not kidding, email, web browsing,
advanced word processing, and many other tasks are possible on the Mac.
On 1/20/2011 11:32 AM, Robert Beach wrote:
> Before you all get too overly excited about Voice Over and
accessibility, I'd suggest doing more checking in to it. From the folks
I have spoken with and those presentatins I have seen at conferences,
Mac is not totally accessible with Voice Over. For example, Microsoft
Office on the Mac cannot be completely accessed with Voice Over. Forget
PowerPoint and Excel.
>
> The general opinion that I have heard is that it is a nice step
forward, but there's a long way to go. Macs are cool, but they are not
productive machines for blind individuals at this point. They are much
better for individuals with learning disabilities or possibly low
vision.
>
> Okay, bring on the shouts of outrage.<grin>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kimberly A. Morrow [morrowka@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:37 AM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: {spam?} [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>
> Andrea, I feel the very same way. The next computer I buy is going to
be
> a Mac. JAWS is fabulous--but no company should be able to monopolize
the
> market the way Freedom Scientific has done, and charge upwards of
$800,
> with a $200 annual upgrade fee, simply to provide the blind access to
> the equivalent of a sighted person's computer screen/monitor. Can you
> even begin to imagine the uproar from the sighted public if they even
> thought they would have to pay $800 for a basic computer monitor with
no
> less expensive option available?
>
>
>
> Kimberly Morrow, PhD
> Communications Specialist
>
> Message of Hope Ministry
> 1901 NW Blue Parkway
> Unity Village, MO 64065-0001
> message-of-hope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Phone: 866--421-3066 (Toll-free)
> Hours: M-Th 7:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m. (CT)
>
>
>
> Kimberly A. Morrow
> Outreach Specialist - Unity.fm
> Unity
> 1901 NW Blue Parkway
> Unity Village, MO 64065
> 816-251-3588
>
> http://www.unity.org/
> http://www.dailyword.com/
> http://www.silentunity.org/
> http://www.unityvillage.org/
> http://www.unity.fm/
> http://www.unityinstitute.org/
> http://www.unitymagazine.org/
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:48 AM
> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>
> Yeah, it is to bad. I think that if you ever got an accessible ipod,
or
> any device in your hands would convince you how cool it is. Your
girls
> wouldn't be able to get a hold of it, because they wouldn't be able to
> get it away from you! LOL I'm telling you, the next computer I buy
is
> going to be a Mac!
> Hugs, Andrea M Breier
>
> Remember: If you see someone without a smile today give them one of
> yours!
> Live simply. Love seriously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest
> to God
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell D. Lynn"<mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:<real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:34 AM
> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>
>
>> The Nano having VO is what kills me. It seems inconceivable that the
> Nano
>> would have VO and the Touch wouldn't.
>>
>> Have heard great things about the Apple store on the Plaza, and they
> were
>> quite friendly and helpful when I spoke with them yesterday. They too
> were
>> adamant they would be able to make it work if I were to bring it in.
> The
>> weather, and the fact I have only 7-days to return the device, makes
> it
>> highly unlikely that I will get to take them up on their offer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Kimberly A. Morrow
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:09 AM
>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>>
>> I've always found that if you can actually get to an Apple Store and
> have
>> the rep demo products for you, the trip is well worth it. If you live
> in
>> the
>> Kansas City area, they've really got their act together at Apple on
> the
>> Plaza. I was intent on purchasing the new Ipod Nano, which does have
> voice
>> over. If I had simply ordered it from apple.com rather than going
into
> the
>> Apple Store, I would have never realized (nor would the rep), just
how
>> easily VO shuts down on those particular units. In the end, I decided
>> against purchase of that particular device due to VO's
> unpredictability in
>> interfacing with it.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
>> Kimberly Morrow, PhD
>> Communications Specialist
>>
>> Message of Hope Ministry
>> 1901 NW Blue Parkway
>> Unity Village, MO 64065-0001
>> message-of-hope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Phone: 866--421-3066 (Toll-free)
>> Hours: M-Th 7:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m. (CT)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kimberly A. Morrow
>> Outreach Specialist - Unity.fm
>> Unity
>> 1901 NW Blue Parkway
>> Unity Village, MO 64065
>> 816-251-3588
>>
>> http://www.unity.org/
>> http://www.dailyword.com/
>> http://www.silentunity.org/
>> http://www.unityvillage.org/
>> http://www.unity.fm/
>> http://www.unityinstitute.org/
>> http://www.unitymagazine.org/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:17 PM
>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot to enquire, Did you buy this from apple. If so, they
> will
>> be great if you choose to return, or exchange. You shouldn't even
> have
>> to
>> pay a restocking fee, if one of their staff told you that voice over
> came
>> out on that iPod. That would be their mistake, not yours.
>> Hugs, Andrea M Breier
>>
>> Remember: If you see someone without a smile today give them one of
> yours!
>> Live simply. Love seriously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the
rest
> to
>> God
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mitchell D. Lynn"<mlynn@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To:<real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:40 PM
>> Subject: [real-eyes] IPod Touch 3rd Gen voiceover
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone had issues getting accessibility working on the IPod
Touch
>> 3rd
>>> gen? Just bought an 8Gb model, and we aren't finding accessibility
in
>> the
>>> Settings menu. It just isn't there. OS was updated to 4.2.1, and
that
>>> appears to be current. Spoke with Apple tech support, and he says it
>> is an
>>> app you download. Couldn't find any such app in the I Tunes store,
> and
>> all
>>> their documentation indicates that it is built into the OS. The
Apple
>>> store
>>> here in town says they can fix it, but getting there is going to be
a
>>> pain.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if this is something that only works with higher
>> capacity
>>> models. We have three of these, and none show the menus we are
>> supposed to
>>> be seeing. All are 8Gb models though. Maybe I should have bought the
>>> current
>>> model, but I only wanted it to use as a remote for my Sonos system.
>>>
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