Hi Ellie,
thanks for clarification.
Not so much wind here currently like at the coast.
I am still tempted to try a flevo just to experience the difference, but the
loss of traction on climbs will surely limit its use in my area.
Somehow I have the feeling that a Python is better or more fun, but you don’t
know what you have until you tried the other one…
Maybe thats why I am curious.
Cheers, Christian
PS: Wow. Wish you all the best.
Am 30.07.2018 um 11:01 schrieb Ellie Bonné (Redacted sender "ellie68" for
DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hello Christian,
About the wind sensitivity I am talking about high speed descent, not a
normal situation. My impression is that in this situation it is more
difficult to control the bike when there is intermittent side wind. Maybe it
is exactly the increased seat height that generally make control easier and
just feels less scary. I am just guessing.
I built the python when I moved to another country and as a way to make
friends at the time. But I do find the python a better bike and stopped
riding my flevo.
The switch was quickly made. But there is always a longer adjusting period to
get the fine points of riding the bike. I remember am accident I had because
I was looking sideways and the bike did a bit of the same hitting the
pavement bordering the cycling path.
LG Ellie
PS: Dirk is becoming Ellie...
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On Jul 29, 2018, 17:52, Christian Winkgen < christian.winkgen@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ellie,
thanks for your feedback.
I can see the issue with the front wheel traction and the wheelbase.
But did you say the Flevo is less sensible for sidewinds?
I would have thought a lower sitting position would be better regarding this
aspect, but this is just based on theoretical assumptions and not from
experience.
Could you explain that?
So why did you change from Flevo to Python - or do you still ride both?
And which of both do you prefer (for what reasons or for which purposes)?
How long did it take to feel safe riding on the other bike?
Cheers, Christian
Am 29.07.2018 um 12:31 schrieb Ellie Bonné (Redacted sender "ellie68" for
DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hello Christian,
I went from flevo racer-alike to python. I feel that the jump from positive
trail to negative was the same but different. Like the difference between a
Dutch bike and a racer bike.
Because of the positive trail, the flevo has to install a rubber block onto
the pivot. This block prevents the bike from folding when you sit on the
bike. On the python you have the self centering that keeps bike straight
when mounting on it. The rubber block is a bit annoying as it messes with
the steering.
The higher sitting position of the flevo gives you more control. Also at
high speeds, there is less side wind sensibility which makes for a safer
descent. The higher position and short wheelbase you pay with less traction
on the front wheel - fx when going up hill in rain your frontwheel will
slip easily. Even starting at a green light can be annoying if there is a
bit of gravel lying on the road.
The pivot on a flevo is at 45 degrees. A friend of mine has it at
60degrees. And the ride was much better. I think flevo never really
experimented with angles or trail.
LG Ellie
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On Jul 29, 2018, 11:20, Christian Winkgen < christian.winkgen@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Pythonauts!
I just wondered about differences in control and riding experience between
certain MBB concepts.
After lots of practicing my Python now feels quite safe enough to ride in
traffic.
These things are positive and negative so far:
+ the self-centering makes it easy to get on and get going
+ riding handsfree is more and more stable
+ the low COG is fun when riding off-road (no big deal when crashing)
- it still swerves a bit if I get distracted (like adjusting something)
- the low riding position lacks some overview in traffic
- the low COG gives less margin for errors
There is a Flevo dealer in Cologne I have recently visited. I was
interested in his Flevo seat and asked him if I could try to ride a
FlevoRacer. (He told me I would not be able to, but I could try of course.)
It was really interesting - I could ride it somehow, make a few turns and
come back - handsfree and with my hands on the bars.
But it still felt awkward because of the higher riding position, the
geometry and the instability at lower speed.
The front section seemed to have a mind on its own.
Has someone experienced both: Python + Flevo (or some other MBB variant
with positive trail) and can elaborate about the differences?
I really liked the higher riding position on the Flevo but I was a bit
concerned about the rubbery feeling of instability on that thing.
(Maybe it is the same if you come from the Flevo and get on a Python for
the first time?)
Somehow I was considering to borrow a Flevo for a longer test ride - just
out of curiosity…
What do you think?
Cheers,
Christian
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