I went from flevo racer-alike to python. I feel that the jump from positive
trail to negative was the same but different. Like the difference between a
Dutch bike and a racer bike.
Because of the positive trail, the flevo has to install a rubber block onto the
pivot. This block prevents the bike from folding when you sit on the bike. On
the python you have the self centering that keeps bike straight when mounting
on it. The rubber block is a bit annoying as it messes with the steering.
The higher sitting position of the flevo gives you more control. Also at high
speeds, there is less side wind sensibility which makes for a safer descent.
The higher position and short wheelbase you pay with less traction on the front
wheel - fx when going up hill in rain your frontwheel will slip easily. Even
starting at a green light can be annoying if there is a bit of gravel lying on
The pivot on a flevo is at 45 degrees. A friend of mine has it at 60degrees.
And the ride was much better. I think flevo never really experimented with
angles or trail.
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On Jul 29, 2018, 11:20, Christian Winkgen wrote:
I just wondered about differences in control and riding experience between
certain MBB concepts.
After lots of practicing my Python now feels quite safe enough to ride in
These things are positive and negative so far:
+ the self-centering makes it easy to get on and get going
+ riding handsfree is more and more stable
+ the low COG is fun when riding off-road (no big deal when crashing)
- it still swerves a bit if I get distracted (like adjusting something)
- the low riding position lacks some overview in traffic
- the low COG gives less margin for errors
There is a Flevo dealer in Cologne I have recently visited. I was interested
in his Flevo seat and asked him if I could try to ride a FlevoRacer. (He told
me I would not be able to, but I could try of course.)
It was really interesting - I could ride it somehow, make a few turns and
come back - handsfree and with my hands on the bars.
But it still felt awkward because of the higher riding position, the geometry
and the instability at lower speed.
The front section seemed to have a mind on its own.
Has someone experienced both: Python + Flevo (or some other MBB variant with
positive trail) and can elaborate about the differences?
I really liked the higher riding position on the Flevo but I was a bit
concerned about the rubbery feeling of instability on that thing.
(Maybe it is the same if you come from the Flevo and get on a Python for the
Somehow I was considering to borrow a Flevo for a longer test ride - just out
What do you think?
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