[pure-silver] Re: Process control (was Re: Re: Agitation and contrast)

  • From: `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:20:17 -0800

If so he is wrong. First of all 15 SECONDS is a fixed amount so would be a variable percentage of developing time. Secondly, if one assumes a ten minute developing time 15 seconds is 2.5%, which would not make a significant difference.
In fact, from Kodak data on contrast index vs time I think even 15% is a bit tight, more like 20% and around 30% to 33% for cubic grain films. I have no idea what the term "3D" means as applied to emulsion grains.

On 11/25/2019 11:33 AM, Dana Myers wrote:

On 11/25/2019 11:06 AM, `Richard Knoppow wrote:
   I think using a water bath for the tank is a good idea. Even if you fill the tank first and drop the film in (Kodak recommended procedure) there will still be an effect on the temperature of the developer. One procedure, I think from color processing, is to have everything in a water bath.

Oh, it's a good idea, it's a great idea. It's just not convenient for me these days.

BTW, I think the statement that +/- 15 seconds makes a difference probably means +/- 15%.

I think Bob was pretty precise in his wording:

"T-Max Film  development time  differences  of +/- 15 seconds are enough  to
make a difference.  For 3Ds  25% is an appropriate  difference."

Generally, Kodak states that their time/temp charts are for a contrast index suitable for diffusion printing.

J-109 makes no mention of enlarger type, specifying CIs instead. IIRC, Kodak
suggests a CI of ~0.58 for diffusion printing, and the J-109 chart uses CI 0.56
as the nominal dev target. Implication being the expected printing is via
diffusion.

The fact is that B&W photography is very forgiving, you can wander all over the place and still get decent prints but try doing it twice in a row.

Absolutely. Somewhat ironically, when I transitioned from darkroom printing
(almost always with polycontrast paper and a set of filters) to scanning, I quickly
realized how much I'd been compensating for exposure/development variation.

Cheers,
Dana  K6JQ

On 11/12/2019 9:04 AM, Robert Shanebrook (Redacted sender makingkodakfilm for DMARC) wrote:
 Keep it simple:

Use  time-and-temperature to control  contrast/density. Yes,  T-Max Films are more sensitive to time-and-temperature differences than 3D films.   T-Max Film  development time differences  of +/- 15 seconds are enough  to make a difference. For 3Ds  25% is an appropriate  difference.


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