[pure-silver] Re: OT: Condensation on frozen film
- From: "Dave Valvo" <dvalvo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:58:28 -0400
Without seeing the spots it sure sounds like it's the labs fault.
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From: "Michael Healy" <emjayhealy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] OT: Condensation on frozen film
> Sorry to go OT. I'm having a dispute with my (ex-?) lab, and hope someone
can give me
> some thoughts/evidence/etc one way or another.
>
> The 35mm film I use, I purchase once a year (early spring or late fall
because of the
> Phoenix heat), in quantities of 40-50 rolls. It gets frozen straight out
of the UPS package
> - in original canisters, every one inside its original box. When using it,
particularly for a
> client, I am anally careful to follow the same procedure every time: I
pull rolls out of the
> freezer as needed, and let them come to room temp - for absolute minimum
3-4 hours, if
> possible overnight. I have never had a single problem doing this, or so I
thought.
>
> Today a roll I got a roll from the lab had weird puddle-like and large
drop-like marks
> across the middle of a number of the frames, on the emulsion side. In
addition, about
> 1/3 of all frame had these sprocket-sized bubblle-like marks sporadically
appearing just
> inside some of their sprocket holes, along one side only.
>
> The guy running the shop said yes, clearly something had happened during
their drying.
> To him, the swirls indicated some sort of splashing in their dip/dunk
process. As for the
> holes, he said, these have been known to hold liquid like a bubble, then
pop during the
> drying.
>
> Later he changed his mind, though, and told me he thought that the
sprocket marks had
> to be the result of condensation that collected when I used the roll
straight out of the
> freezer. Case in point (he said): most of the "sprocket hole" problems
occur in the latter
> 1/2-2/3 of the roll, where it would have been tighter on the core, and
that's why you get
> condensation problems. Well, he sure had me on that argument. I have never
had a
> single such problem, so I wouldn't know; but I would have expected
condensation to
> collect nearer the opening of the cassette, that is, on the first several
frames. Those,
> tho, are fine.
>
> But I'm not convinced anyway.
>
> 1) I did not use this roll for 6 days. In fact, it was one of two I pulled
out six days ago for
> one job. The first of them, which I shot the next night, turned out fine.
This 2nd roll had
> to sit next to the camera - in box and plastic container - for another
four days while I
> awaited client approval on the first roll of shots. While I cannot
absolutely rule out
> condensation, it does not SEEM like a likely explanationgiven my work
procedures and
> especially my handling of these two particular rolls.
>
> 2) I have never had this problem on a single one of the 300+ rolls of
frozen 35mm film
> I've ever used. I've never had it on rolls of 120, either, nor on sheets
of 4x5 NOR on
> 8x10, all frozen and thawed. And the one and only roll this might
conceivably ever have
> happened on, is one he admits also got splashed in the dip/dunk procedure.
>
> BTW, in this case, my film is not b&w, it happens to be Fujichrome T64, so
it involves
> E6. I assume that the principles are the same, though. (Well, and I've
never had a
> problem with any rolls or sheets of my b&w out of the freezer, either, and
I've processed
> gazillions of these right here at home under less-than-idea conditions.)
>
> So what exactly DOES a roll of film look like if you use it before letting
it come to room
> temp? And has anyone had experience with the above situation, who might be
able to
> comment on the problem, and/or the range of its impact on the film? Could
I have gotten
> condensation even though the film was still double-boxed? And supposing I
had, would
> it still be sticking around, messing up the film nearly a week later? It's
been nearly 100
> degrees here since about May 1st, with humidity in the minus numbers. Is
this guy's
> scenario legitimate, or is he generously trying to share some blame?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Mike
>
>
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