Hi Daniel I was making a distinction between tray life (mixed and diluted for use) and shelf life (unmixed) Tim http://www.worldoflithprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daniel Bouzard Sent: 28 September 2006 12:57 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae Hello, I used Moersch Lith developer with great success. The dilution is mostly 1part of A + 1part of B + 1 part of "old brown" and 50 parts of water and 0.1part of 10% bromide and sulfite solution. Shelf life is at list 2hours and OK for about 10 24X30 sheets. Daniel > De : "Thierry ARNAUD" <aristark@xxxxxxxxxx> Répondre à : > pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date : Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:01:56 +0200 À : > <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer > formulae > > Thanks a lot, Tim, for your perfect answer. > Have a good day. > Thierry > > Thierry ARNAUD > 6, rue du Verger > 91800 - Brunoy > France > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman > Envoyé : jeudi 28 septembre 2006 12:58 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae > > > Hi Thierry > > <<"Amazon.fr says there are no more of it at the publisher's.">> > > I don't know why this should be - it has only just come out and > shipping hasn't even begun yet, it is still in the warehouse (maybe > this is what they > mean?) > My copies are due to arrive next week so they should soon be available > then. > You can also order copies signed, and if desired also personalised, > from the website here - http://www.worldoflithprinting.com I do know > that both lith books are available. > > I have seen the formulae in the link you sent. I haven't tried them > all obviously (life is too short!) but of the few I have used my > impression is the those with formaldehyde or Para formaldehyde work > better for lith printing than the ones listed without either. I know > of some people who have claimed success with them but I haven't had > the results from them that suit me. > I mostly use the commercial ones now as they give me exactly what I > want, are consistent and always available. > Moersch makes formaldehyde-free lith devs and they are excellent too, > although a much shorter shelf life I find. Some of the contributors to > WOLP have included their own formulae with examples too, notably Peter > Svennson with his 3 'Dr Jekyll' formulae ("because it leaves out the > 'Hyde" !!) > > Also, I think the estimate of a 2 hour tray life (in your link) is a > little stingy and I get more than that, but I use larger rather than > smaller volumes for consistency. > > <<"I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in > a book which claimed it was "definitive".">> Yes, point taken, and my > apologies for that. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD > Sent: 28 September 2006 11:19 > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae > > Hi Tim, > Thanks a lot for your answer. > I understand very well what you mean. > I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in a > book which claimed it was "definitive". Anyway! > I am now looking for its "companion" but Amazon.fr says there are no > more of it at the publisher's. > Would you know if there are some companions available? > Then, what do you think about the formulae published by Unblinkingeye > and those by http://members.iinet.net.au/~forbes/lithdev.html#Formulae > ? > Best regards, > Thierry > > > Thierry ARNAUD > 6, rue du Verger > 91800 - Brunoy > France > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman > Envoyé : > jeudi 28 septembre 2006 10:34 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : > [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae > > A very good point Thierry. > You are quite right of course, it is an omission and in retrospect I > should have included formulae. > > At the time, there was nothing written about Lith printing and my > primary objective then was to raise awareness and explain it - and > hopefully inspire people to try it for themselves using existing > materials. > It is actually the only one of my books that doesn't contain many > formulae (there are a few for some other chemical products that are > not available off the shelf) and I hadn't appreciated how many people > would be interested in making their own Lith developers. > > I have sought to try and redress this balance by bringing out a > companion book with formulae, including formulae and techniques sent > in by contributors in the 'Forum' section and also updating the > current materials lists and new techniques, so I hope that together > the 2 books are rather more 'definitive'. > > It is getting harder in this digital age to interest a publisher to > invest in a book for such a niche market, so I am very pleased with > it. > Tim > http://www.worldoflithprinting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD > Sent: 27 September 2006 21:35 > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae > > Thanks Tim for your answer. > I regret that in your "definitive guide on lith-printing" there is no > formula. Where is the definitive here? > > Thierry ARNAUD > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman > Envoyé : > mercredi 27 septembre 2006 11:04 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : > [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view > cameras > > There are lots in the new companion book Thierry ;-) See > http://www.worldoflithprinting.com > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD > Sent: 27 September 2006 06:11 > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view > cameras > > Hi, > I'd like to lith-print but I don't know any formula for the lith > developer. I bought the book of Tim Rudman about Lith-printing but > there's no formula. > Could someone give any? > Thanks in advance. > Best. > > Thierry ARNAUD > France > > > > > > ====================================================================== > ====== > ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > ====== > ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ----------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus > mail. > > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > > ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go > to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe > from there. > > > > ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go > to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe > from there. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ----------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus > mail. > > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > > ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go > to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go > to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ----------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > > ====================================================================== > ======== ==============================To unsubscribe from this list, > go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe > from there. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > --------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > ====================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.