Thanks a lot, Tim, for your perfect answer. Have a good day. Thierry Thierry ARNAUD 6, rue du Verger 91800 - Brunoy France -----Message d'origine----- De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman Envoyé : jeudi 28 septembre 2006 12:58 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae Hi Thierry <<"Amazon.fr says there are no more of it at the publisher's.">> I don't know why this should be - it has only just come out and shipping hasn't even begun yet, it is still in the warehouse (maybe this is what they mean?) My copies are due to arrive next week so they should soon be available then. You can also order copies signed, and if desired also personalised, from the website here - http://www.worldoflithprinting.com I do know that both lith books are available. I have seen the formulae in the link you sent. I haven't tried them all obviously (life is too short!) but of the few I have used my impression is the those with formaldehyde or Para formaldehyde work better for lith printing than the ones listed without either. I know of some people who have claimed success with them but I haven't had the results from them that suit me. I mostly use the commercial ones now as they give me exactly what I want, are consistent and always available. Moersch makes formaldehyde-free lith devs and they are excellent too, although a much shorter shelf life I find. Some of the contributors to WOLP have included their own formulae with examples too, notably Peter Svennson with his 3 'Dr Jekyll' formulae ("because it leaves out the 'Hyde" !!) Also, I think the estimate of a 2 hour tray life (in your link) is a little stingy and I get more than that, but I use larger rather than smaller volumes for consistency. <<"I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in a book which claimed it was "definitive".">> Yes, point taken, and my apologies for that. Tim -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD Sent: 28 September 2006 11:19 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae Hi Tim, Thanks a lot for your answer. I understand very well what you mean. I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in a book which claimed it was "definitive". Anyway! I am now looking for its "companion" but Amazon.fr says there are no more of it at the publisher's. Would you know if there are some companions available? Then, what do you think about the formulae published by Unblinkingeye and those by http://members.iinet.net.au/~forbes/lithdev.html#Formulae ? Best regards, Thierry Thierry ARNAUD 6, rue du Verger 91800 - Brunoy France -----Message d'origine----- De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman Envoyé : jeudi 28 septembre 2006 10:34 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae A very good point Thierry. You are quite right of course, it is an omission and in retrospect I should have included formulae. At the time, there was nothing written about Lith printing and my primary objective then was to raise awareness and explain it - and hopefully inspire people to try it for themselves using existing materials. It is actually the only one of my books that doesn't contain many formulae (there are a few for some other chemical products that are not available off the shelf) and I hadn't appreciated how many people would be interested in making their own Lith developers. I have sought to try and redress this balance by bringing out a companion book with formulae, including formulae and techniques sent in by contributors in the 'Forum' section and also updating the current materials lists and new techniques, so I hope that together the 2 books are rather more 'definitive'. It is getting harder in this digital age to interest a publisher to invest in a book for such a niche market, so I am very pleased with it. Tim http://www.worldoflithprinting.com -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD Sent: 27 September 2006 21:35 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae Thanks Tim for your answer. I regret that in your "definitive guide on lith-printing" there is no formula. Where is the definitive here? Thierry ARNAUD -----Message d'origine----- De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman Envoyé : mercredi 27 septembre 2006 11:04 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view cameras There are lots in the new companion book Thierry ;-) See http://www.worldoflithprinting.com Tim -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD Sent: 27 September 2006 06:11 To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view cameras Hi, I'd like to lith-print but I don't know any formula for the lith developer. I bought the book of Tim Rudman about Lith-printing but there's no formula. Could someone give any? Thanks in advance. Best. 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