hi, and thanks richard! please tell us about the development of kodachrome somtime....best, rich On Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM, "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hall" <robert.g.hall@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Formula #87 in Anchell > Richard, > > I would pay hard money to have all you have written on fixers in a book. > > Thank... Thank you, however its already in books. Some are not so easy to obtain now. About the last comprehensive book on photographic chemistry is the one written by Grant Haist, formerly a scientist with Kodak Research Laboratories. I am not sure of its current availability. Grant republished it himself perhaps ten years ago, well printed in hard covers and properly bound. I don't know if Grant is still alive. Much of the other information is scattered in various technical publications but nearly all of the important research was done at Kodak. One of the main drives behind the research into both developers and fixers was the motion picture industry. The need for increased numbers of prints and for duplicate negatives for foriegn distribution were behind the development of finer grain films and D-76, originally devised for the then new fine grain duplicating film. Since the only thing a producer has after production is the camera negative there began to be considerable interest in how to extend the life of the film and also how to prevent early degradation of prints. This led to extensive research into fixing and washing. Most of this research is still valid. Somewhere I have a brochure on the history of the Kodak Labs written around the 1970s sometime. Its in with a bunch of books in storage and I have to find it. It is much more forthright than the self-serving history written much earlier by Kenneth Meese and others in the labs. Kodak's labs were established when George Eastman hired Kenneth Meese in 1912 to create a good research lab. Meese was a partner in Wratten and Wainwright, an English company which had discovered how to sensitize film for color and how to make good filters. Meese had studied in Germany and was familiar with the German chemical industry. Meese agreed to work for Eastman but only if Eastman bought out his partners and allowed them to continue running W&W. This merger is the reason color filters include the name Wratten to this day. The inspiration for the labs was, of course, the one set up by Thomas Edison, probably the first industrial research lab in the U.S., maybe the world. The famous lab at General Electric was the direct inheritor of this lab. One of Eastman's primary goals in establishing the lab was to devise a good, practical, color film. While the labs did much important work color eluded them for twenty-five years and they were beaten to the punch by AGFA who began to make a workable multi-layer, color incorporated film in about the mid-1930's. Kodak was able to release Kodachrome at about the same time but they could not figure out how to incorporate the color couplers in the emulsion layers so the film required a special, and very complex, development process. It took several years for Kodak to catch up. Meese wrote extensively and anything with his name on it is worth reading. He also decided that the lab's work should be published in established, peer-reviewed, scientific and technical journals, which gave it immediate status. However, one must look at many sources to find all the lab reports rather than having a single house organ to research. BTW, it was evidently Meese who, as a member of the board of directors of EK, decided to turn down Chester Carlson when he approached with his xerographic copying process because "We are a chemical company and this is not a chemical process". Carlson took it to a small competitor of Kodak, the Haloid Company, which took it on and soon became Xerox. Enough for now... -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ===========================================================================...