[project1dev] Re: animation questions
- From: Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:19:30 -0700
There are also the pillars that need to be pushed around and or knocked over
Rorac, you want me to use the tiles that you have already placed? If that's
the case then Alan can you offset them like we are talking about?
Has the spikelog been uploaded? If not can it be uploaded? When it is
uploaded, Alan, can you change the offset like we were discussing?
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The double trap doors are already in place. They're the two bright yellow
> 25x5x60 tiles near the elevator shaft. They are rotated to face each other
> (90, -90).
>
> The spike log is finished. I'm not sure what other art is needed for the
> temple
>
> Traps
> Spike log (done as far as I know)
> Arrows (done)
> Spike pit (done)
> tile-trap (done)
> Ceiltrap (not done, no concept, I need to get on this)
>
> Is this correct? As far as traps go, those are the only five.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I specifically need a log with spikes on it and a trapdoor tile.
>>
>> I thought Rorac and Alex were working together to make the spikelog. I
>> don't know what the status of that is.
>>
>> I would also need art for the double trapdoors that will swing open when
>> you try to walk across them. We may be able to use the tile art we already
>> have and move the origin or you could make new floor double trapdoor art.
>>
>> Rorac and Alex - What art is still needed for the traps and such in the
>> temple? It would be better to figure this out before we make new art just in
>> case it is already done
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> cool, if you make them for him i can offset their origin to the right
>>> places to do what he wants
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:21 AM, <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kent I can build some temp models (or real ones) this evening - let me
>>>> know what you need
>>>>
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From*: Kent Petersen
>>>> *Date*: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:13:25 -0700
>>>> *To*: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Subject*: [project1dev] Re: animation questions
>>>> I do understand what you are saying. I do not know how to make that
>>>> happen. I have no experience with the modeling aspect of this.
>>>>
>>>> If you wanted to make me temp models I would happily put them in place.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and hey if what im sayin makes no sense, i can modify whatever art to
>>>>> have the origin in the right place (:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well hey I think both of these things might be simplified by clever
>>>>>> placing of the origin in the models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for the floor trap, the model just needs to have it's "hinge edge" on
>>>>>> the origin (instead of the full thing in the perfect center).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that way when you rotate it, the edge against the sides doesnt rotate
>>>>>> but the other one does. You know what i mean? and you'd just have the
>>>>>> trap
>>>>>> load up 2 models, one for each side if it's a double door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for the swinging log you could set the origin up like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> + <---- origin (directly above point of log impact)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |=====| <--- log point of impact
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you rotate that setup on the Y axis, it will go vertical, and then
>>>>>> when the trap is sprung, just rotate it the opposite direction on the Y
>>>>>> axis
>>>>>> and it will look like it's swinging in and hit the player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we might have to talk about how it detects whether it hit the player
>>>>>> or not but shrug that should make it work right visually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see what you mean. I was speficially thinking the spike trap which
>>>>>>> is perfectly fine the way it is, the floor_trap trap door that Rorac
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> have been talking about, and the swinglog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The floor_trap is supposed to be a double door trap door that swings
>>>>>>> open. The way rotation works right now it would be tough to make to
>>>>>>> doors
>>>>>>> swing open by script (things rotate around the center).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The swinging log is supposed to swing down toward the player once
>>>>>>> they cross a line. The log is supposed to be avoidable by either side
>>>>>>> stepping or jumping on top. At first I imagined it would start verticle
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> swing and rotate to horizontal. I think thats too much work now. My new
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> is to leave the log laying horizontal and have it swing toward the
>>>>>>> player
>>>>>>> with no rotation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Er actually im thinking i recall eric sayin something like dont
>>>>>>>> worry about animations for this milestone, we were just gonna do some
>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>> animations for the fortuneteller.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that's the case that's actually a godo thing so we dont bloat
>>>>>>>> this milestone to include more and more features and never be done
>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe we just keep traps as manual scripted simulations like you
>>>>>>>> have been doing, and keep animation minimal this milestone, then
>>>>>>>> firgure out
>>>>>>>> for the next milestone what we wanna do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As we get more features in the game too we'll probably revisit old
>>>>>>>> areas and "upgrade them" with the new tech i bet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Kent,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just realized too... I'm not sure if we want it but we could do
>>>>>>>>> blood particles spray out when arrows, spikes, or the log hits you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We haven't really talked at all about how the player reacts when a
>>>>>>>>> trap hits em, but i guess since we barely even have animation support
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> makes sense lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey you got any thoughts on this Eric? As far as what happens
>>>>>>>>> visually when the player gets hit by a trap?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we can talk details if you want...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are these all the traps?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> #1 - spike tile
>>>>>>>>>> #2 - arrow tile
>>>>>>>>>> #3 - falling tile (you step on it and it falls)
>>>>>>>>>> #4 - swinging log
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Spike trap - seems like it could go either way. If we go
>>>>>>>>>> animation, we would just make it do damage to the player if the
>>>>>>>>>> player
>>>>>>>>>> touches the tile while the spike animation is playing. We'd just
>>>>>>>>>> have to be
>>>>>>>>>> able to tell if the animation was playing or not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> arrow tile - i think this one works ok like you have it, what do
>>>>>>>>>> you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> falling tile - i think this works like you have it too but i
>>>>>>>>>> dunno, what do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> swinging log - hey do you know how this trap is actually going to
>>>>>>>>>> work? Either way we do it im kinda wonderin how collision detection
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> gonna work, but maybe we can get away with some tricks depending on
>>>>>>>>>> how the
>>>>>>>>>> traps triggered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hrm, well I think we should figure it out on a trap by trap basis
>>>>>>>>>>> whether it would be better to be animated or simulated in script,
>>>>>>>>>>> cause some
>>>>>>>>>>> it makes more sense to be animation, and others it makes more sense
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> simulated I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I guess my question is mainly for Alan but what should I be
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing about animation since we are going through an animation
>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade. Like
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can make the traps I'm working on to rotate, swing, move,
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> betting an artist or an animator may be able to do a better job
>>>>>>>>>>>> than I can.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking I should just make temp animation with temp art and
>>>>>>>>>>>> not put
>>>>>>>>>>>> too much time into either. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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