RE: windows vs mac (was Apple Developer site not letting me continue)
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:29:54 -0400
Not everyone. I am on that list and I do not like Mac more. I could name
two others but I will not speak for them and they are not here to defend
themselves. I will tell you they are using Mac though we all three are but
it doesn't mean we like it more. Now with that said I will only speak for
myself now
The two big ones that have to do with this list are
First find me a code editor I can code in python with one that I can
actually tell what indentation level I am at.
Second find me any third party text editor at all that works with voice
over. Not counting bean it doesn't do what I want. Thanks to David I can
finally use emacspeak but that still is a linux thing
Another thing I do not like is the Web browser. While accessible it is not
easy or intuitive to use. If you don't believe it just try doing a research
paper blocking and copying with the web browser and you will quickly find
the difference. Sure there are ways around the difficulties but anything
that slows me down on the web is a problem.
Next is the file browser try deleting multiple files and see how you jump
around. I am Shocked that Mac has not fixed the focus of what item your on.
Third try to copy all the mail in one mail box of over 300 items. The only
way to get this to work is to turn off voice over.
Try using WX widgets 2.9 it will stay busy as long as you use voiceover.
Turn voiceover off and your good to go. You might think this is a problem
with wx but I have ran into infinite busy problems in Mail, safari, and
other applications and the only fix is to turn off voice over while you do
the task.
I have much more but I won't go into them here because I had already listed
them on the Mac visionary list and what they told me there is there are work
around for many of the problems I have that doesn't mean they are not
problems. The problem is many Mac users just get used to the problems and
ignore them that doesn't mean if you're a new user or even a long time user
there are not accessibility problems. Many of the problems I run into on
the Mac have been fixed as far back as windows 98. Now I am not saying one
day Mac might not deal with the problem and there are things I like about
the Mac but just the other day on the Mac dev list people were talking about
installing their Mac as full 64 to try to speed up the Mac so the voiceover
would not go busy. Well it's been a long time since the screen readers of
Windows has affected windows enough to stop an application. Mac has a ways
to go.
Ken
Second
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 6:42 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: windows vs mac (was Apple Developer site not letting me continue)
Can you give examples? Everyone on the Macvisionaries list, including
Windows converts, seems to love Apple's os more. It is stable, easy,
and there seems to be nothing it can't do, not including poorly
designed third party applications.
On 4/11/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have to disagree with this statement just because the Access comes
> attached to the OS does not mean its ahead of its competitors. In fact I
> have now been using mac for 7 or 8 months and I still find many things I
> would rather do in windows because it's just much more accessible and
> usable.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:58 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Apple Developer site not letting me continue
>
> A bit ironic that Apple's iron grip on its platform is a big part of why
> their accessibility is so far ahead of its competitors, especially in
> the mobile space.
> On 4/11/2011 3:10 PM, Florian-achtige wrote:
>> Ugh...
>>
>> Alright i Like apple and how they made stuff accessible, but their
>> idea of exclusivity is quite sickening sometimes
>>
>>
>> 2011/4/11, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I never tried but you might be able to fool it by using chrom or firefox
> not
>>> sure though. I bet you could do it on your Itouch but it probably won't
> be
>>> fun.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:11 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Developer site not letting me continue
>>>
>>> That's rediculous! At least tell me that, Apple!
>>> So I need to have someone with a mac do this, or can I do it on my iPod?
>>>
>>> On 4/11/11, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Let me guess you're trying to do this on a windows box? They actually
>>> have
>>>> their page rigged so you can't.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>> Subject: Apple Developer site not letting me continue
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I know this is a bit off topic, but I am trying to sign up for a free
>>>> apple dev account and am unable to do so. I am using an existing apple
>>>> id and am at the personal information step. Despite filling every
>>>> single field, I keep getting taken back to the same page with all my
>>>> information filled in; the continue link is not continuing, but I see
>>>> no errors on the page. Has anyone gone through this and figured it
>>>> out? Thanks.
>>>>
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