Apart from a few tutorial programs during a course on programming languages I haven't looked much at Listp or one of it's variants although I regard it highly as a father of many languages. I find the functional programming constructs in C# Linq and Python's map, filter, reduce and apply extremely practical and easy to rap your brains around. How does Scala and Clojure compare? They sound very similar to each other.
An intriguing feature of Lisp, the way programs are just structured data in themselves, makes meta programming easy it seems -- much easier than in most other languages. For example, I can remember a chapter in an AI book that dealt with genetic algorithms or GA's which were Lisp programs that chopped and changed themselves and using a process of a sort of survival of the fittest you could occasionally get a novel algorithm for solving a problem. Is GA's still an active field or have the scientists concluded that chance is to dicey after all?
On 8/27/2010 9:35 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
Oh,ok Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 1:38 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) Katherine said: And not to mention, wasn't Lisp originally meant to run on non-Windows OS'? I was saying, "Yes, because it was written when Bill Gates was only 3" Stefik On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Andreas, Of course not, but what's your point? I was using the Windows reference as a time one, nothing more. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stephen S. Disbrow Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:50 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) Hi, The lisp of that day is not the lisp of today look at clisp, or even clojure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stefik"<stefika@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) For Lisp, it was originally specified back in 1958. To put it in perspective, Bill Gates was 3 years old, so it was definitely not designed for windows. Stefik On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Sina Bahram<sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I totally agree on the language war avoidance. No worries there, Jamal. I do have to correct you though. Lisp does not require functional programming. This is an extremely oversimplification of the language. Functional programming implies a paradigm which emphasizes the application of functions over changes in state. It's a pure extension of the lambda calculus, whereby all functions return a value and this value does not change except with changes to inputs into said function; thus avoiding state or mutability of any kind. Such a restriction does not exist in lisp. There are programming languages like F# which are more functional programming languages, but even in those, I believe it is possible to have mappings which are not one-to-one with input parameters, side effects , and some semblance of mutability. In functional programming. Lisp is a multi-paradigm programming language. It supported OOP before it was called that, and had things like annotations before Windows was an operating system. It also can be used as a procedural, functional, object oriented, service oriented, inductive, deductive, and/or annotation based language, all within the same program, if you like, and that's just to name a few paradigms. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Sina Bahram Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) Let us avoid language wars here, but I think Scala is much more readable and practical than LISP. Scala does not require functional programming like LISP. OOP is fully supported, but functional programming is also solidly supported. It is called Scala because it is intended as a scalable language, where one can use advanced features as needed. In my opinion, Scala is a revolutionary language, not just in the ivory tower but in the real world as well. Jamal On 8/26/2010 12:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:Not to be pedantic or anything, but most of the "advantages of java" so to speak stem from the nature of the language itself, soitmight be a bit disingenuous, pedagogically speaking, to say that all Java's advantages exist, because I would submit that it'smostimportant ones, absolutely do not. Don't' get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of languages like Scala, although I tend to just use a language that can do everything Scalacanand more, called Lisp, if I want that sort of thing. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of QuentinC Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:31 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials) Interesting site. If scala compiles into java bytecode, then all advantages of java are available. Note that swing interfaces are not inaccessible. You juste have to install the java access bridge and then most of swing APIbecomeaccessible. There are few problems with the advanced controls, but the standard ones go well. And about turning a java program into windows executable, there is launch4j. 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