Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)

  • From: "David Engebretson Jr." <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:21:49 -0700

And I made a nice living doing AutoCAD before i went blind - thanks to lisp. Wait, i mean thanks to lisp for helping AutoCAD out... 

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)



Of course, but it was still invented in the 50's!
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Stephen S. Disbrow <info@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
Hi,
The lisp of that day is not the lisp of today look at clisp, or even clojure 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)


For Lisp, it was originally specified back in 1958. To put it in
perspective, Bill Gates was 3 years old, so it was definitely not
designed for windows.

Stefik

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I totally agree on the language war avoidance. No worries there, Jamal.

I do have to correct you though. Lisp does not require functional
programming. This is an extremely oversimplification of the
language. Functional programming implies a paradigm which emphasizes the
application of functions over changes in state. It's a pure
extension of the lambda calculus, whereby all functions return a value and 
this value does not change except with changes to inputs
into said function; thus avoiding state or mutability of any kind. Such a 
restriction does not exist in lisp. There are programming
languages like F# which are more functional programming languages, but
even in those, I believe it is possible to have mappings
which are not one-to-one with input parameters, side effects , and some
semblance of mutability. In functional programming.
Lisp is a multi-paradigm programming language. It supported OOP before it 
was called that, and had things like annotations before
Windows was an operating system. It also can be used as a procedural,
functional, object oriented, service oriented, inductive,
deductive, and/or annotation based language, all within the same program, 
if you like, and that's just to name a few paradigms.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Sina Bahram
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)

Let us avoid language wars here, but I think Scala is much more readable
and practical than LISP. Scala does not require functional
programming like LISP. OOP is fully supported, but functional programming 
is also solidly supported. It is called Scala because it
is intended as a scalable language, where one can use advanced features as 
needed. In my opinion, Scala is a revolutionary
language, not just in the ivory tower but in the real world as well.

Jamal

On 8/26/2010 12:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:


Not to be pedantic or anything, but most of the "advantages of java" so
to speak stem from the nature of the language itself, so


it


might be a bit disingenuous, pedagogically speaking, to say that all
Java's advantages exist, because I would submit that it's


most


important ones, absolutely do not.

Don't' get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of languages like Scala, although I
tend to just use a language that can do everything Scala


can


and more, called Lisp, if I want that sort of thing.


Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of QuentinC
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:31 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)

Interesting site.

If scala compiles into java bytecode, then all advantages of java are
available.
Note that swing interfaces are not inaccessible. You juste have to
install the java access bridge and then most of swing API


become


accessible. There are few problems with the advanced controls, but the
standard ones go well.
And about turning a java program into windows executable, there is
launch4j.
This program wrap a jar file into an exe.

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