RE: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)
- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:07:58 -0400
Andreas, Of course not, but what's your point? I was using the Windows
reference as a time one, nothing more.
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stephen S. Disbrow
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:50 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)
Hi,
The lisp of that day is not the lisp of today look at clisp, or even clojure
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)
For Lisp, it was originally specified back in 1958. To put it in
perspective, Bill Gates was 3 years old, so it was definitely not
designed for windows.
Stefik
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I totally agree on the language war avoidance. No worries there, Jamal.
>
> I do have to correct you though. Lisp does not require functional
> programming. This is an extremely oversimplification of the
> language. Functional programming implies a paradigm which emphasizes the
> application of functions over changes in state. It's a pure
> extension of the lambda calculus, whereby all functions return a value and
> this value does not change except with changes to inputs
> into said function; thus avoiding state or mutability of any kind. Such a
> restriction does not exist in lisp. There are programming
> languages like F# which are more functional programming languages, but
> even in those, I believe it is possible to have mappings
> which are not one-to-one with input parameters, side effects , and some
> semblance of mutability. In functional programming.
>
> Lisp is a multi-paradigm programming language. It supported OOP before it
> was called that, and had things like annotations before
> Windows was an operating system. It also can be used as a procedural,
> functional, object oriented, service oriented, inductive,
> deductive, and/or annotation based language, all within the same program,
> if you like, and that's just to name a few paradigms.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Sina Bahram
> Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)
>
> Let us avoid language wars here, but I think Scala is much more readable
> and practical than LISP. Scala does not require functional
> programming like LISP. OOP is fully supported, but functional programming
> is also solidly supported. It is called Scala because it
> is intended as a scalable language, where one can use advanced features as
> needed. In my opinion, Scala is a revolutionary
> language, not just in the ivory tower but in the real world as well.
>
> Jamal
>
> On 8/26/2010 12:49 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>> Not to be pedantic or anything, but most of the "advantages of java" so
>> to speak stem from the nature of the language itself, so
> it
>> might be a bit disingenuous, pedagogically speaking, to say that all
>> Java's advantages exist, because I would submit that it's
> most
>> important ones, absolutely do not.
>>
>> Don't' get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of languages like Scala, although I
>> tend to just use a language that can do everything Scala
> can
>> and more, called Lisp, if I want that sort of thing.
>>
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of QuentinC
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:31 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: scala (was good site for programming tutorials)
>>
>> Interesting site.
>>
>> If scala compiles into java bytecode, then all advantages of java are
>> available.
>> Note that swing interfaces are not inaccessible. You juste have to
>> install the java access bridge and then most of swing API
> become
>> accessible. There are few problems with the advanced controls, but the
>> standard ones go well.
>> And about turning a java program into windows executable, there is
>> launch4j.
>> This program wrap a jar file into an exe.
>>
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