RE: offf list: Re: OO Specs
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 06:58:01 -0400
Hi,
It would be best to send the material to the Elf or to Jamal and have one of
them post it.
Jim
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:16 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: offf list: Re: OO Specs
I think that list does not support atachments.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Engebretson Jr." <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:45 AM
Subject: offf list: Re: OO Specs
> beautyful?
> may we all have a look, sir?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>
>
>> if you want, I can send you one or two books about the ood, there are
>> very
>> beautyfull.
>> Send me an e-mail privately.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: OO Specs
>>
>>
>> I liked what you said so much that I put it in a document for saving.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Susie Stanzel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:19 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: black ares
>> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>>
>> Good points, which I did not take personally. I agree that reading
>> about current theory in the field is also important, and you illustrated
>> that well. Both are needed.
>>
>> I was trying to emphasize the actual doing of software development
>> because I think there is often a natural temptation to keep reading
>> different tutorials, hoping that a difficult concept will eventually be
>> communicated in a way to which one relates. While this can sometimes
>> happen, I have found that there is no substitute for actually coding a
>> project of personal significance in order to grasp the subtleties
>> involved. This phenomenon may be related to the benefit of trying to
>> teach something to others as a way of better understanding it, oneself.
>> Programming is like teaching something to the computer so that it does
>> what you want. In going through that exercise, one discovers factors
>> and relationships that one had not considered before. In the process,
>> one reaches a depth of understanding that was not present, when the
>> concepts were just words inside one's head. This is the same reasoning
>> behind why it is important to actually do problem sets in a math class,
>> not just read chapters of the book.
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>> On 10/8/2010 1:42 AM, black ares wrote:
>>> let me stress some point on your affirmation.
>>> It is true that doing real projects gain you the experience necesary to
>>> grow in this domain.
>>> But, reading different materials on the subject is also important,
>>> because
>>> you can find there technics that you may be not are aware of, or you
>>> didn't discover them by simply working.
>>> There are a lot of software developer out there that develop better or
>>> less software working on their own knowledge, but a few of them go the
>>> right way because they knew the ood principles, knew some pragmatic
>>> principles and aplied best technology ant methodology for their project.
>>> For example, for business logic in a project there are out there five or
>>> more patterns to work with, each of them having its own advantages and
>>> disatvantages.
>>> For example I know
>>> transaction script process
>>> table module
>>> Active Record
>>> Domain model.
>>> I gained awareness of some of them simply reading, because beeing onest
>>> I simply found two of them in the real world project of mine, domain
>>> model and active record.
>>> But the other two are not less important, because, thei offer speed in
>>> developing if the project permits it.
>>> In conclusion, is a fact that all of us can write classes, properties
>>> and methods, but its matter how do you write them.
>>> Other way, there are a great colection of antipaterns out there, which,
>>> first viewed make use of all oop principles, encapsulation, inheritance
>>> and polymorphism.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, working with out lecture in etail on the subject, may
>>> arise to another strange situation.
>>> For example I worked a lot of years, creating architectures, creating
>>> software, doing things because the comon sense dicted me that that way
>>> is better to do things and not the other.
>>> Now I decided to read some books on the subject to see what is new.
>>> Surprise a lot of concepts discovered there in the books I have already
>>> known them by my own discovering, but I didn't know their standardised
>>> name and therminology.
>>> For example I used domain driven principles even earlier than 2003 when
>>> it was standardised, but I didn't feel that it was so great, it was
>>> simply a thing which have done my things work.
>>> After the standardisation, I was in some interviews where I was asked if
>>> I know domain driven design.
>>> Not knowing that that is the name of what I've used, I sincerely said
>>> no, loosing the interview.
>>> Now, In 2010 I decided to see what the hell is that domain driven design
>>> and realised what stupid I was.
>>> Don't take it personaly, I simply presented some of my experiences.
>>> Best regards
>>> Black Ares
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I do not have an answer to the particular question, and would be
>>>> interested in reading that article, too, so please share the web
>>>> address if you find it.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding of OOP involves the following points:
>>>>
>>>> * In the context of the application, think of nouns as potential
>>>> objects, which would be defined as classes with certain attributes,
>>>> defined as either public properties or private fields (variables that
>>>> retain configuration values of any data type), and methods, which
>>>> define actions that the object is capable of performing.
>>>>
>>>> * The properties are attributes that may be changed by external
>>>> clients of the API.
>>>>
>>>> * The fields are attributes of the object that can only be changed by
>>>> internal procedures of the API, not accessible to external clients.
>>>>
>>>> * Any time an object could benefit from automatically being informed
>>>> of an action by another object, particularly if it includes a change
>>>> of one of its own properties by an external client, a method of that
>>>> object may be automatically be triggered in response to that action,
>>>> which is also called an event handler method.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think the best way to learn most programming concepts is
>>>> to try to implement them in a project of personal interest, usually
>>>> one of direct, practical significance, or at least, passionate,
>>>> principled interest. Keep asking questions until you find the answers
>>>> to implement that project of personal significance. In my opinion,
>>>> without the real application of knowledge, little conceptual
>>>> understanding is actually gained.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jamal
>>>>
>>>> On 10/7/2010 3:02 PM, yHomme, James wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to have a bookmark that lead to something that told me how to
>>>>> take a description of what you want a piece of software to do and
>>>>> decide
>>>>> the objects, methods, and behaviors it would have. Does anyone have
>>>>> links to this kind of thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>
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