I have read the subsequent messages, up to2035 UTC. This is the sort of discussion which would be frowned upon, after a dozen or more messages, on program-l. We might need to start a BlindProgrammersCafe list for some of these discussions. Also, It would behoove all of us to reply to the individual poster more often rather than send an individual comment to several hundred readers. I am now going to violate the above rule and discuss some history. First of all, the sky is not falling. It has some cracks in it, but they are much smaller than they used to be. I wanted people to start reading this particular MSDN blog because we will face interesting times, but I am sure we will get through them with some pain. I would expect the traditional screen readers to work in the Desktop app of Windows 8, but perhaps not well in the Metro interface, which is apparently the primary UI. We'll see, probably sometime next year. I wrote my first programs as a blind engineering student at Iowa State University in 1968, Fortran for an IBM 360. Much of the time I would write a few dozen lines, dictate them to someone who carefully wrote them on "coding sheets" and brought them to the data center where someone else typed them on punch cards. Most of the time, the printout I got back indicated that my program had run in perhaps 0.12 seconds, and that it ended on line 260 with a syntax error. A couple of days later I could submit a revised version for my numerical analysis course, if I could figure out what to do about that syntax error. Batch programming was not fun, and you had to be a lot more persistent than me to get very far. In 1983, Here in the Engineering Section at NLS, I could work with a Tektronix 4051 computer, whose operating system was a form of BASIC for test equipment control, using the IEEE-488 interface, also known as HPIB. The computer had 8K of RAM (we later expanded it to 32K). I could type my code onto its keyboard, and by providing statements such as print@41:a$ I could send the contents of a$ to a Versabraille or a Votrax Personal Speech System over a serial port. Programs were stored on slow tape cartridges accessed by this expensive equipment. I could display data by writing musical notes to be played by the Votrax PSS. But if you put an exclamation point in the wrong place, the Votrax would reset itself to the default speed and say "error". By 1983, blind people were beginning to use software on PC's and especially on the Apple 2, while some others used the Radio Shack TRS-80 or the T I 99-4. I bought my first PC in 1985, running Screen-Talk from Computer Aids, the predecessor of GW Micro. That software couldn't do much more than echo the results of DOS commands, and only if they were written in the standard way through the BIOS. Screen-Talk was improved later by linking it up with the Prokey macro program, and substitution of the Sounding Board instead of the Votrax PSS for its synthesizer. Screen readers for DOS had to adapt, because much data was being written directly to screen memory instead of through the BIOS. This was thought of as a major problem at the time. By 1988 I was playing with TurboBasic and using a modem on the GEnie online service. JAWS for DOS came out. The OutSpoken screen reader came out for the Macintosh, which had not been accessible at all since its introduction in 1984. In 1990, Windows began to really take off; I think this was version 3.0. In July, 1992, OutSpoken for Windows became the first screen reader for Windows. Later on, Berkley Systems would get into screen savers such as After Dark, and lose interest in screen reader development. By 1994, JAWS for Windows was out. In 1995, after Windows 95 came out, GW Micro released Window-Eyes 1.0, for Windows 3.1. In this era, GW was perhaps 18 months behind the release of new Windows versions, while Freedom Scientific was only 6 or 12 months behind. Currently, GW, FS and other companies have regular meetings at Redmond to work out issues, and ever since Vista, a screen reader has been available that could deal with much of the operating system on the day of its public release. But there are always rough edges and a lot of things that don't work. Even FS is a rather small company compared to the companies who are drowning us in new software, and GW is probably one-sixth as big as FS for total staff. There will always be work for blind programmers to do, and there will be a need for all of us to exchange information and refine our techniques. And the programs we write will continue to grow in size and complexity. Sorry about the history lesson, but I just want us to keep on inventing, thinking out of the box, and really solving the world's problems. We cannot afford to complain about each other, nor about the world we inhabit. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Library of Congress 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:29 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Windows 8 Blog Thanks! I just subscribed! I'm going to certainly be keeping up with this one. I cannot wait to own Windows 8, but I think that slow-on-the-uptake screen reader manufacturers could potentially be a hindrance for all of us in this community. I mean, JAWS 12's reign could end quite abruptly if they refuse to adapt the later versions to not use Mirror drivers anymore if Microsoft takes them away. And then if that is the case and screen readers do not keep up with latest and greatest technology (and even nowadays, this is a problem right now in my opinion), where will we go? Will we be stuck with our current configurations for the rest of our lives? -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:05 PM To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List; program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Windows 8 Blog I find the blog concerning the development and planned features of Windows 8 to be interesting reading. Of course, it's Microsoft propaganda. New entries are posted every couple of days. Screen reader users and developers will have a lot to get used to (including a ribbon interface for Windows Explorer). I think that this RSS link should work: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/rss.aspx Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Library of Congress 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind