We're having trouble getting the software installed. Has anyone here installed a OEM edition of OmniPage Pro with success? We're getting to a point where some kind of error occurs in a Roxio product I've never before heard of and hitting cancel to bypass only results in a dialogue telling me that I need this thing. We'll try newegg, Xerox and Nuance today as it was after business hours by the time we ran into the wall but it seems quite persistent. cdh -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:31 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Scanner/Stuff... How would totally blind people validate books if we can't read the original print to validate against? I never really understood this, but was thinking of volunteering for something like this if there was a way I could. ----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Scanner/Stuff... > Hi Chris, > If you aren't a member, you can sign up to be one. You have to verify your > disability by getting a doctor or blindness organization to do that for > you. Anyone, sighted or blind, member or not, can be a volunteer. If you > are a member and a volunteer, you get credit toward your membership fee if > you either scan or validate. You just have to fill out an online form > saying that you want to volunteer so that the system knows about you. The > rules are that you can't scan and upload, then download and validate the > same book. Someone must scan and another person must validate. > > Looking forward to seeing the book. > > Jim > > James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 > > "it is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day basis." -- > Margaret Bonnano > > Highmark internal only: Consider Usability Engineering On Your Next > Project > or release. http://highwire.highmark.com/sites/iwov/hwt093/ > > > > "Chris Hofstader" > <chris.hofstader@ > knology.net> To > Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > programmingblind- cc > bounce@freelists. > org Subject > RE: Scanner/Stuff... > > 05/21/2008 10:07 > AM > > > Please respond to > programmingblind@ > freelists.org > > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm happy to say that our new scanner arrived yesterday and that we're > setting it up as I type. We'll do a few little experiments and when > things > look happy, we'll scan the Drupal book. I'm sorry it's taken so long to > get > to this but we'll be faster in the future. > > We cannot pledge to do more than scan one book per week and Susan will do > her best to verify it in the same time period. With that said, this is a > fast, scanner with a relatively large duplex sheet feeder so the scanning > itself should go very quickly. The scanner came with OmniPage Pro which > we'll try to use to avoid the cost of Fine Reader. If the quality is too > poor to continue, we'll switch OCR engines. My experience with OpenBook, > though, suggests that OmniPage is nearly as good as Fine Reader but that > opinion results from four year old tests run without a framework that > would > eliminate subjectivity. > > Once we're done scanning this one, I'll send it off to Jamal and Jackie (I > remember someone else had volunteered to do some verification work but > I've > forgotten who). > > Although I contract with BSO, I don't know their procedures for submitting > books. If one of their volunteers will speak up, I would like to learn > the > procedure. What happens if two parties unknown to each other submit the > same book at approximately the same time? I'd assume this would happen > with > Harry Potter and other smash hits and not Drupal tutorials but in the > world > of geekdom, one never knows nor can one ever imagine knowing. > > So, let's start a book club. People can nominate books, we'll have a vote > on which comes next and someone will volunteer to pay for it and have it > sent to our house. I will pay for some, certainly those I nominate but my > choices jump to the head of the line because I'm a selfish bastard and are > not likely to have more than a passing interest to most people here as I > tend to read a lot about cognitive linguistics and other stuff that simply > bores other people to suicidal ideation. > > Happy Hacking, > cdh > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:33 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Scanner/Stuff... > > still, his method seems to be fairly well accepted, a downloadable > simple... > > form, that must be signed by a verifiable person at a qualified and > verifiable location, usually accepted are doctors, rehab councilors, and > staff of a school for the blind and visually impaired such as the Braille > institute in southern California and the like > > the page should include name of course, title, of what agency, and address > phone and such. > > that should do the trick for you, > > a question, what does it take to become "authorized" for such > distributing? > > I know I can look it up, but since you brought it up, I am hoping you can > give me the "skinny" on it? > > have a good one, > inthane > . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and > Links > > to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: > http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com > . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming > languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: > http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: RE: Scanner/Stuff... > > >> The publisher can send the content of a book to whomever they choose, >> inside >> our outside the US. People like us, not in the publishing biz, are >> restricted by all sorts of copyright laws in the US and around the world >> which complicates the issue terribly. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian >> Rasnita >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:38 AM >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Scanner/Stuff... >> >> I have never read a book from bookshare.org because I think that it costs >> money, while very many good books can be found for free. >> But, before bookshare started to give O'Reilly books, O'Reilly had a free >> service for the blind, and I received books from them. >> >> They created an FTP account where I could download the books I wanted, > and >> before creating me that FPT account, I needed to send them a scanned > paper >> that proves that I am a blind. >> They accepted my paper, even if I live in Romania, Europe, not USA. >> They told me that it is not a problem that I live in Romania, because > they >> also had some romanian employees, and I think they use to accept those >> papers no matter the country. >> >> Octavian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:36 PM >> Subject: Scanner/Stuff... >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> My parents are in town so I'm fairly distracted from vocational and > other >>> programming related tasks. I did, however, manage to find a scanner > with >>> a >>> document feeder (they used to call these sheet feeders, were consumers >>> stupid enough to think they had something to do with bedding or is using >>> the >>> more sophisticated term a way to hit me up for an additional $25 or so > by >>> making me think it's a device far more interesting than something that >>> simply scans sheets of paper - which, in fact, is what I want it to do). >>> >>> I bought a new Canon from the low end of their "professional" line which >>> wasn't terribly expensive and only slightly slower than the one that > died >>> on >>> us last week. It is expected to arrive by UPS mule by Thursday so Sue >>> can >>> start the Drupal scanning project on Friday while I'm having a tattoo > put >>> onto my left forearm. Assuming we don't get bogged down in a lot of >>> paper >>> jams and other scanning hell, we should have the book done by sometime > on >>> Saturday. >>> >>> This brings me to a minor conundrum - currently Bookshare.org is my most >>> profitable client (the amount I earn from my different projects varies > on >>> a >>> monthly basis depending upon how much attention I can devote to a gig > and >>> the project's level of urgency). I want, therefore, to promote BSO >>> subscriptions to help defray the cost of the work they pay me to perform >>> and >>> to help keep the non-profit running smoothly as possible. >>> >>> At the same time, I don't want to exclude our friends outside the US > from >>> having access to this and other books on programming and technology that >>> we >>> process. Also, any web site that posts the book without the protections >>> afforded by BSO, NLS and the others runs into a possible copyright >>> problem >>> with the publisher as, although we claim it is intended for blind people >>> only, we have no way of protecting the content to ensure that proof of a >>> print disability has been proffered before we share the book. >>> >>> I'm open to all sorts of ideas, please make suggestions. >>> >>> Yesterday, I spent an additional $250 on a birthday gift for my twin >>> niece >>> and nephew. I got them the Lego robotics starter kit which includes a >>> ton >>> of really neat features (you can read about it at lego.com), there are > at >>> least a half dozen books on Amazon describing projects one can make with >>> the >>> set, loads of add on parts, the ability to write code on a PC and >>> download >>> it to your bot and so many other very cool features that I could write >>> for >>> hours. >>> >>> The kids were first introduced to these Legos as part of their charter >>> school program that brought them to MIT for two hours per week, one hour >>> on >>> robotics using the kit I got for them and the other on crypt-analysis > and >>> code breaking. Where were such programs when I was eleven years old? >>> >>> On a more topic based question, though, if I recall from my own >>> childhood, >>> Lego bricks and other pieces were highly tactile - does anyone know of >>> blind >>> kids using this kit to make their own robots? Does anyone know of any >>> trials with children with vision impairment and such a kit? I'm curious >>> to >>> learn if it could be fit into a middle school course for budding blind >>> hackers. >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> cdh >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3093 (20080512) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ NOD32 3091 (20080512) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ NOD32 3120 (20080522) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind