RE: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)

Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> · Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:23:50 +0000

He said it was an accident, so why don't you leave it at that?  He's cool, so 
don't accuse him of things of which he didn't do on purpose.  

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:07 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)

Sina... You make me laugh. You talk about a productive thread in the same 
breath that you insult me, then you insult me again and forward this to every 
list you possibly can. What did you possibly get out of that?

Now, as to your accusations. I made a comment about Vinux being cobbled 
together. I've had nothing but problems with it (experience), and everything is 
held together by threads that shatter at the smallest changes. The cd is loaded 
with software that can be easily installed. 
You can disagree until you're blue in the face, but that's how it is. I like 
the idea of Vinux, but I don't much care for the cram-everything-that-will-fit 
in one cd. I'm also not really keen on just leaving out a reader because it 
happens to not work and kicking out a release as was already done.

Now, if you like, you can keep on insulting me and forwarding this to every 
other possible list, if you think that that will gain you more popularity 
points. I am not against accessibility; as soon as things settle down (within 
the next couple of weeks), I had planned on seeing what I could add to Orca. 
The fact that I don't like Vinux doesn't make me a horrible person, and I'd 
rather add to something that will make things easier for all concerned, rather 
than try to contribute with a project I disagree with.
On 5/31/2011 8:26 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I believe it to be unproductive, misleading, and obviously ignorant, 
> to say things about Vinux that you so clearly can't substantiate.
>
> Opinions are one thing, but you just sent a post to this list 
> highlighting the fact that someone shouldn't give misleading information, and 
> then within 24 to 48 hours, you do exactly that.
>
> What's more, you don't even have a clear idea on how to fix the 
> problem, and I guarantee you Tyler that you don't understand the 
> nuances or complexities of the problem because you haven't taken any time to 
> bother learning them. This is putting aside the issue of the problem actually 
> being nontrivial. Furthermore, you don't even care to figure it out.
>
> Your words are extremely frustrating to individuals who spent 
> countless hours of their time and effort working on Vinux, and other 
> accessibility solutions for that matter.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:53 PM
> To: Sina Bahram
> Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)
>
> Sina:
> Thanks for your response.
> I don't really much care for trying to figure out the mess. My point 
> was that it was cobbled together, Everything just sort of was made to 
> work for the time being without any insite into the future, and now 
> it's falling apart. On another note, I mentioned running espeakup 
> (which would I think, elimenate the need for a secondary 
> speech-dispatcher to run), though I could be wrong. I just thought it 
> might be a bit of a solution, anyway.
>
> On 5/31/2011 4:20 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>> Tyler, I completely agree.
>>
>> I feel that you, sir, and only you can fix it.
>>
>> Thus, please help us fix it from the cobbled mess it is.
>>
>>    Please provide a working solution for the problem highlighted below 
>> between pulseaudio in system wide mode, etc. etc.
>>
>> I'll give you a freebee. You don't even have to implement your solution. 
>> Just detail it in full please.
>>
>> You obviously know more about this problem than anyone else, so 
>> please explain very clearly where Vinux has gone wrong in pulseaudio, 
>> speakup, and orca support.
>>
>> I eagerly await your productive response.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:speakup-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, 
>> Tyler
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:03 PM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)
>>
>> I think the problem is they've cobbled Vinux together, and now the 
>> bubble gum acting as glue is finally falling apart.
>> On another note, why not use espeakup? It works with pulse, no?
>> On 5/31/2011 3:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 05:13:39
>>> From: Tony Sales<tony.sales@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "'Ubuntu-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'"
>>>        <Ubuntu-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Running Speakup on Ubuntu
>>>
>>> Is anyone able to get speakup running on anUbuntu installation (or 
>>> live CD) which has the default orca  screen-reader option
>> enabled - in other words - which has Orca running and Pulseaudio 
>> running in user mode? Or even on a plain Ubuntu without Orca enabled 
>> - I have been trying to do this for a week and have not made any 
>> progress. I am not sure whether the problem is pulsaudio
> or
>> speech-dispatcher or speech-up - but I suspect it maybe caused by 
>> speech-dispatcher as I am able to run pulseaudio and speech-up without any 
>> error messages. But I get an error about speech-dispatcher being disabled if 
>> I try to start that in a console.
>> Speech-dispatcher seems to be set not to run in system mode by default.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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