You mean how I do every single time I send a bug report into Freedom
Scientific, or a myriad of other AT companies?
Sure, that's fair enough. My part is easy. I'm already done, since i do that
every single time.
I look forward to your contributions to Orca in a few weeks. What you seem to
be missing is that nobody will enjoy them if issues
with pulseaudio and such aren't figured out, or at least nobody who also wants
console level access via speakup.
And no, you didn't just voice your opinions. You spent an entire blog post
insulting people who try to make yours, and other
people's lives, better. That just makes you a bad human being.
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:48 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)
>This of course is so common in the blind community so as to be
laughable. No other community, racial group, or socio economic
>collection of individuals is more self-hating, self-defeatist, and
downright miserable than blind people are. Tyler simply is an
>excellent example of this.
Gosh Sina, all those sweet words, You're making me blush over here.
Anyway. We keep going back to this. I have plans to contribute to Orca
within the next couple of weeks. I see problems with Vinuxx and voice my
oppinions. I guess that might mean I'm a defeatist and self-hating and
all, but that's how it goes.
So, Sina: Next time you voice problems with Jaws, we will expect:
1) An outline on h ow -you- would fix it.
2) A contribution toward the fix that you're complaining about.
In that case, you'll have provided an outline of the fix as well as the
fix itself as you seem to expect me to do for Vinux, and the problem
won't exist. Fair enough?
On 6/1/2011 9:28 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
Chris,
Not relevant to BP, and sorry for the forward. I meant to send it to speakup,
and fat fingered it.
And it is not the consumer's responsibility, you are absolutely correct, but
Tyler Is not only a consumer. He claims to be
interested in accessibility and wanting to contribute, and criticism is one
thing, but baseless and factual inaccuracies are quite
another.
This of course is so common in the blind community so as to be laughable. No
other community, racial group, or socio economic
collection of individuals is more self-hating, self-defeatist, and downright
miserable than blind people are. Tyler simply is an
excellent example of this.
I don't expect a user to fix a problem. My God, the entire point of Vinux or
any other good work is for users not even to be
presented with a problem. That should go without saying. However, Tyler
continuously bashes a group of volunteers and hardworking
people when he himself has contributed nothing.
So absolutely it's his right to voice an opinion. It's mine to point out what
utter rubbish he is spewing as facts so as to at
least
set the record straight.
Thanks for your thoughts by the way, and I agree with you a great deal on why
and how it is not the user's responsibility to fix
problems.
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Coale
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:31 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd)
Sina, may I ask you why this is relevant? You don't seem to understand
that once a product is released into the public, it is open to public
review, and public criticism without backing support. A person can claim
to "dislike" something, or make any kind of claim about the product that
they feel is their opinion. The consumer does not need to know how to
fix the problem (my god, why would they?) (and I'm not saying that Tyler
doesn't know how, this is just irrelevant). The consumer does not need
to try to figure it out. The consumer does not need to know the
underlying complexities. This does not apply just to Tyler, but all
users of the product, be it free or not. So many people tend to think
that just because they release a free and/or open source project into
the world that they are free from public review... however, many of them
can't handle when it does happen and take it as a personal attack on the
developers/project. This is just what I've observed on this list and
others...
Best of luck,
Chris
On 5/31/2011 7:26 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
What's more, you don't even have a clear idea on how to fix the problem, and I
guarantee you Tyler that you don't understand the
nuances or complexities of the problem because you haven't taken any time to
bother learning them. This is putting aside the
issue
of the problem actually being nontrivial. Furthermore, you don't even care to
figure it out.
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