>This of course is so common in the blind community so as to be laughable. No other community, racial group, or socio economic >collection of individuals is more self-hating, self-defeatist, and downright miserable than blind people are. Tyler simply is an
>excellent example of this. Gosh Sina, all those sweet words, You're making me blush over here.Anyway. We keep going back to this. I have plans to contribute to Orca within the next couple of weeks. I see problems with Vinuxx and voice my oppinions. I guess that might mean I'm a defeatist and self-hating and all, but that's how it goes.
So, Sina: Next time you voice problems with Jaws, we will expect: 1) An outline on h ow -you- would fix it. 2) A contribution toward the fix that you're complaining about.In that case, you'll have provided an outline of the fix as well as the fix itself as you seem to expect me to do for Vinux, and the problem won't exist. Fair enough?
On 6/1/2011 9:28 AM, Sina Bahram wrote:
Chris, Not relevant to BP, and sorry for the forward. I meant to send it to speakup, and fat fingered it. And it is not the consumer's responsibility, you are absolutely correct, but Tyler Is not only a consumer. He claims to be interested in accessibility and wanting to contribute, and criticism is one thing, but baseless and factual inaccuracies are quite another. This of course is so common in the blind community so as to be laughable. No other community, racial group, or socio economic collection of individuals is more self-hating, self-defeatist, and downright miserable than blind people are. Tyler simply is an excellent example of this. I don't expect a user to fix a problem. My God, the entire point of Vinux or any other good work is for users not even to be presented with a problem. That should go without saying. However, Tyler continuously bashes a group of volunteers and hardworking people when he himself has contributed nothing. So absolutely it's his right to voice an opinion. It's mine to point out what utter rubbish he is spewing as facts so as to at least set the record straight. Thanks for your thoughts by the way, and I agree with you a great deal on why and how it is not the user's responsibility to fix problems. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Coale Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:31 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu (fwd) Sina, may I ask you why this is relevant? You don't seem to understand that once a product is released into the public, it is open to public review, and public criticism without backing support. A person can claim to "dislike" something, or make any kind of claim about the product that they feel is their opinion. The consumer does not need to know how to fix the problem (my god, why would they?) (and I'm not saying that Tyler doesn't know how, this is just irrelevant). The consumer does not need to try to figure it out. The consumer does not need to know the underlying complexities. This does not apply just to Tyler, but all users of the product, be it free or not. So many people tend to think that just because they release a free and/or open source project into the world that they are free from public review... however, many of them can't handle when it does happen and take it as a personal attack on the developers/project. This is just what I've observed on this list and others... Best of luck, Chris On 5/31/2011 7:26 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:What's more, you don't even have a clear idea on how to fix the problem, and I guarantee you Tyler that you don't understand the nuances or complexities of the problem because you haven't taken any time to bother learning them. This is putting aside the issue of the problem actually being nontrivial. Furthermore, you don't even care to figure it out.__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
-- Take care, Ty my website: http://tds-solutions.net my blog: http://tds-solutions.net/blog skype: st8amnd127 My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features! __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
