I would love to switch almost exclusively to a Linux workstation at this point, but there's still nothing that can be considered satisfactory for modern web browsing by my estimation. Since so much of our software today is handled in part or in whole through a web browser, I hope this gets some attention in this discussion. I have been getting plenty done with Orca/Speakup and Festival, but I'm still virtualizing Windows just so I can use WE and Firefox, which is basically like dropping a nuke to take care of a domestic pest issue.
Jared On 3/29/2010 2:20 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux box for development only. I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak again because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office it is so sluggish it is sick. Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in voices to make it something I can listen to. Even with the purchase of those voices though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast. I am stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my entire job is programming in Linux. Well not all of it I have something I am working on in VB but that's just a rewrite. Now a couple Sighted guys I work with us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Hi, All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to free software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and code and document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just want to use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS and FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to use, I would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in disgust. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810 Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Importance: Low There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a computer before it will do what it's supposed to do. I heard something about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to turn it on. I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can finish getting that accessible in a little while. If I get it all working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing and how it works. There are users on the nvda list and maybe some developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives. Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Hi, I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I uninstalled the thing. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810 Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Importance: Low Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation restrictions. That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had linux accessibility. The openoffice.org software comes with the database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess included. Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Hi Chris, What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office? Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810 Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online Hi Chris, I think the warning against server based applications should be retained in some form. Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the RoboBraille service. The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html --Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hofstader<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement OnlineHi, I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think itis a very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity while having some of its services running on a server. All software written by RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT) but third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our back end to augment their products.The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project andraising money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to say the least.As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the nextversion of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server basedapplications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about everything else in the statement?cdh On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a generaloverview andFAQ and white paper. But it is interesting. I personally wonder ifit ispossible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing fieldforeveryone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal competition in the software market -- I say this because differentpersonshave different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in applications. But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be. Are you a member? --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Chris Hofstader"<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should address when using web-based applications. I also agree that, other things being equal, it is better to get a computing job donelocally,without needing an Internet connection. 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