RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:41:58 -0400

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 14:38
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

 

 

I think you need to tie four things together when dealing with
accessibility.  You have two of them and that is free and Accessible.
You are missing two others.  It doesn't have to be free if its
affordable take the nice speech voices that they sell for 5 bucks that's
not ridiculous so if it can't be free make it affordable. Second but
most important.  This is the great equalizer not accessibility and not
free.  But the word Usable or usability  must be included.  Did you know
my email on my IPhone is free with my phone its accessible but the
problem is its almost unusable without getting someone to set up my
account.  I can also access my work mail  on the web exchange site since
they don't support POP3 or Imap but no matter if I am using Orca and
Espeak free or Jaws 11 its not Usable.  It takes me 10 to 20 minutes to
reply and spell check and attach a few things to an email where it takes
my sited counter parts seconds.  So I guess any accessibility statement
that does not also say both accessibility and usability is part of the
standard I don't see it as much of a statement.   Words do matter. 

 

Ken

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
Hofstader
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:51 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

 

Hey Storm,

 

I'm making a list of ideas like the one you present below that we can
consider for future revisions of the statement. Sina also suggested
while we were on the phone that a paragraph be added regarding net
neutrality which is really important to people with disabilities.

 

The entire GNU team has, over the past couple of months, caught the
accessibility bug. Stallman himself feels that discussing freedom
without including a specific disenfranchised population isn't true
freedom after all.

 

As GNU is really new to the accessibility space, we'll have some hiccups
for a while. I include my own bias for blind/low vision technologies and
relative ignorance of most other AT in the GNU/Linux world.

 

cdh

  

On Mar 27, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:





Hi,
Ok, you got me there, it is right out in the open. The thing is, it kind
of seems like one of those things that congress likes to do when getting
a really good bill passed. They tack things on to the end of it that are
what they want to get done, and they get passed just because the rest of
it is great.
"Also, the statement does not condemn server based applications but,
rather, encourages people not to make or use them." What is the
difference? May as well condemn them, that would meet the same goal.
As for the privacy issues, that is a very good point. Why not add
something about that instead of just letting the statement hang in the
air right at the end of the rest of it. It would make it fit better
perhaps.
Thanks
Storm



 

 

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On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 12:30 -0400, Chris Hofstader wrote:



It isn't a "hidden agenda" as it is written in very plain English for
all to see. It is, however, a position fundamental to FSF and as it is
an FSF statement, also not hidden anywhere, it fits into GAS. 

         

        You can take the statement and remove that line and other things
you may not agree with and repost it as your own statement based on the
GNU statement. 

         

        Also, the statement does not condemn server based applications
but, rather, encourages people not to make or use them.  

         

        cdh 

         

         

         

        On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Storm Dragon wrote: 

         

                Hi,
                You know, I kind of wondered about that one myself lol.
So, that explains it. It sucks that hidden agendas have to sneak in
everywhere, even in to a goal as pure and right as accessibility.
                Storm

 

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                On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:03 -0400, Sina Bahram wrote: 

                The following statement really got to me:
                 
                "and please don't invite users to do something on a
server that they could conceivably do on their own computers."
                 
                I understand that Stallmann is one of the leading
activists against cloud computing, but why on earth are you allowing
such an
                agenda to creap into a statement on accessibility?
                 
                In my opinion, this one statement completely undermines
the rest of the things you're trying to do.
                 
                Take care,
                Sina
                 
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                From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
Hofstader
                Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:00 AM
                To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
                 
                Hi,
                 
                For a couple of months, Richard Stallman and I have been
working on the GNU Accessibility Statement (GAS)  which takes a no
nonsense
                approach to endorsing the rights of people with
disabilities as regard software within the context of free software.
I've never read
                a more strongly worded statement from any organization
regarding software and people with disabilities.
                 
                GAS also takes a strong stance on free software values
but does not endorse any specific license, although we would like people
to
                use GPL.
                 
                You can read the statement at: 
                 
                http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/accessibility.html
                and send comments to me that we can consider for future
revisions of the statement.
                 
                Thanks,
                cdh
                 
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