for the main part for me Jim, its the organization and automation of the visual studios IDE that's the advantage.
most of the functions that one would perform, and many of the things that one would create are as automated as possible.
if I need a form, instead of starting a file that creates a form, I simply go to a menu, click an option, select the form I want and its there the same for any properties of a form or control I want, I hit one key, arrow down through the list, and all the properties are there, I just alter the one I need.
it as well eliminates the need to do the "repetitive work" if you have four text boxes on a form and 3 buttons, I just use a set of three keystrokes to place one of each on the form, then copy and paste the other 3 text boxes and two buttons on, zap and I'm done, add an event, NP, three clicks and its done and properly named... without any problem, I just write in what I want the object to do within the provided framework.
add in the intelesense auto input of items when your typing out your code and a lot of the tedious work is eliminated or speeded up
the big advantage to EdSharp, is its versatility, I can write a note, or a web page, or whatever I want in it, but even with all Jamal's great work on it, I can't create a visual basic form in EdSharp as fast or as efficiently as I can in the VB IDE's.
an example, a simple little "dice roller" I made for myself for my dungeons and dragons games on Saturdays, the code is below, how long would it take you to type it out in ed sharp, it took me about an hour, but most of that was figuring out how I wanted it laid out, the code took me about 15 minutes.
*start code:
VERSION 5.00
Begin VB.Form frmRollerMain
Caption = "Quicky Dice Roller"
ClientHeight = 3195
ClientLeft = 60
ClientTop = 345
ClientWidth = 4680
LinkTopic = "Form1"
ScaleHeight = 13.313
ScaleMode = 4 'Character
ScaleWidth = 39
StartUpPosition = 3 'Windows Default
Begin VB.Frame fraSelect
Caption = "&Select Die"
Height = 495
Left = 120
TabIndex = 0
Top = 360
Width = 1215
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD100
Caption = "D&100"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 7
Top = 4320
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD20
Caption = "D&20"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 6
Top = 3600
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD12
Caption = "D&12"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 5
Top = 2880
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD10
Caption = "D&10"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 4
Top = 2160
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD8
Caption = "D&8"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 3
Top = 1440
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD6
Caption = "D&6"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 2
Top = 720
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.OptionButton rdoD4
Caption = "D&4"
Height = 495
Left = 0
TabIndex = 1
Top = 0
Value = -1 'True
Width = 1215
End
End
Begin VB.TextBox txtResults
Height = 495
Left = 1800
Locked = -1 'True
TabIndex = 9
Top = 4440
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.CommandButton cmdRoll
Caption = "&Roll Them Bones"
Height = 495
Left = 240
TabIndex = 8
Top = 2880
Width = 1215
End
Begin VB.Label lblResults
Alignment = 2 'Center
Caption = "Results"
Height = 495
Left = 1800
TabIndex = 10
Top = 3840
Width = 1215
End
End
Attribute VB_Name = "frmRollerMain"
Attribute VB_GlobalNameSpace = False
Attribute VB_Creatable = False
Attribute VB_PredeclaredId = True
Attribute VB_Exposed = False
Option Explicit
Private Declare Function sndPlaySound Lib "winmm.dll" Alias "sndPlaySoundA"
(ByVal lpszSoundName As String, ByVal uFlags As Long) As Long
Const SND_ASYNC = &H1 'ASYNC allows us to play waves with the ability to interrupt
Const SND_NODEFAULT = &H2 'NODEFAULT causes no sound to be played if the wav can't be found
Const SND_NOSTOP = &H10 'NOSTOP ensures that we don't stop another wave from playing
Const SND_MEMORY = &H4 'MEMORY plays a wave file stored in memory Private Sub cmdRoll_Click() Dim MaxNum As Integer Dim MinNum As Integer Dim NumSet As Integer Dim NumberRolled MinNum = 0 MaxNum = 0 NumSet = 0 NumberRolled = 0 If rdoD4.Value = True Then NumSet = 4 ElseIf rdoD6.Value = True Then NumSet = 6 ElseIf rdoD8.Value = True Then NumSet = 8 ElseIf rdoD10.Value = True Then NumSet = 10 ElseIf rdoD12.Value = True Then NumSet = 12 ElseIf rdoD20.Value = True Then NumSet = 20 ElseIf rdoD100.Value = True Then NumSet = 100 End If Randomize MaxNum = NumSet MinNum = 1 NumberRolled = Int((MaxNum - MinNum + 1) * Rnd() + MinNum) sndPlaySound App.Path & "\diceroll.wav", SND_ASYNC Or SND_NODEFAULT txtResults.Text = Str(NumberRolled) txtResults.SetFocus End Sub Private Sub txtResults_DblClick() cmdRoll_Click End Sub Private Sub txtResults_KeyDown(KeyCode As Integer, Shift As Integer) If KeyCode = 13 Then KeyCode = 0 cmdRoll_Click End If End Sub * end code: another note, i didn't "write" a lot of that, the if than else yesbut many lines of that was generated automatically when i made a couple clicks.
and as to accessibility, its good, in most of the express versions from what I have seen/herd, I know I am not having problems with accessibility, just the learning curve for the newer languages, and that's a problem with me, not the IDE's, smile
HTH, Inthane. For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at:
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com. to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: C# Environments Other Than MS - Success?
Hi, I am curious. I see some stuff about CSharp Develop or whatever and I wonder how much, if any, success others might be having with those environments. I'm also wondering what advantages the Express or other MS environments might give someone over a good old editor like EdSharp. Thanks. Jim James D Homme, Usability Engineering Highmark Inc. james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx 412-544-1810 "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to wait until I think I can do it just right." __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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