Hi Mike,
Thanks for the clarity.
I've no idea regarding your queries sadly and hope you can find some
answers somewhere.
Roger
On 12/09/2017 13:23, Walker, Michael E wrote:
Hi Roger,
I realized I should have been more clear. The context I was thinking of for how PL/SQL packages and programs are pulled out of a database is how sighted people use a program like TOAD to pull what they need, and it is already formatted. For most tasks, I regularly use SQL*Plus. However, when pulling code out using that, I was once told that it botches the formatting. Have you heard of a way to use SQL*Plus to pull code out? Also, do you think TOAD will ever be accessible in the future?
Thanks,
Mike
*From:*program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Roger Woolgrove
*Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2017 5:07 PM
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
Hi Mike,
Apache POI has some useful .jar libraries if it helps
Roger
On 08/09/2017 19:56, Walker, Michael E wrote:
What do you use for database access, such as if you needed to log
into Oracle and pull PL/SQL code out of the database that has
already been compiled? Also, how do you preserve the formatting?
Have you done that type of development?
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
I mostly do android development with android studio, and java
enterprise development with eclipse. The rest is c++ development
with visual studio or a Linux compiler.
Best,
Juan Hernandez
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Michael E
*Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2017 11:42 AM
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
You are welcome, Juan. What tools do you use as a software
engineer, to not have any accessibility issues? What kind of
development do you do?
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
I appreciate these comments.
I am actually a software engineer at my company. I don't really
have accessibility issues myself. I am developing a accessibility
framework so my company can build policies and procedures to make
sure the teams are developing accessible content, documents,
websites and products.
I am attaching my draft document maybe you guys can provide any
insites, or suggestions I would really appreciate it.
Best,
Juan Hernandez
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Michael E
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
I have found OCR built into JAWS to work well enough for my needs,
but as Roger stated, try different packages to find out what works
best for your needs. It may even be the case that the entire
document does not have to be accessible for you, which is why you
again may want to narrow down the information you need, as even
though OCR is great, it is not perfect.
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
Juan,
I got this message a bit late but essentially Mike has it covered
and he gives good advice.
The only thing I may add is that if a document is inaccessible for
whatever reason there are some good packages which can scan in a
document and determine quite accurately what is written. This is
helpful with illegible pdf documents and the like. A scanner does
not have to be used with pdf files and so forth as they can
usually be opened from within the software.
Omni page is one such piece but I have no recent experience.
Kurtzweil 1000 is a good piece of kit and the one I use even
though mine is very dated now, it still gives good results.
There are some freebie OCR packages out there and I'm sure there
are many opinions on them also.
Roger
On 07/09/2017 20:40, Walker, Michael E wrote:
You are welcome. What I recommend is that even though you are
coming up with these policies to make apps, documents, and
presentations accessible for your company, you will want to
use your newly acquired knowledge from the standards I
recommended in my last email to know if an app or information
produced by it like a document is accessible. The only true
way to know if an app, site, or document is accessible is to
try using it. If it is not, you can reference the part of the
accessibility standards that are relevant for making it
accessible. Also keep in mind that if it is a big app, the
company may not be able to afford to make the app itself
accessible, but may consider that when and if it is time to
redesign that app. In some cases, you may need to make due
with features of your screen reader like graphics and custom
labels, to help improve the app's accessibility, or some basic
scripting to access those essential parts of the app or site.
Also, when you run into a situation where the app cannot be
accessible, consider finding out if information from the
inaccessible app can be exported to a more accessible Word
document, HTML, or PDF. Finally, do not underestimate the
power of asking for help. There will be times when it is so
much faster to narrow down what you need, and have a co-worker
look at the screen with you. That may save you hours of trying
to find workarounds to do something basic, like get a video to
play. Pressing alt+print screen to take a screenshot is one
way to do this, if you do not have time to meet with the
co-worker. That screen shot is copied to your clipboard, and
you can paste it into an email. I hope this helps.
Best regards,
Mike
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Thanks for this info. I appreciate it.
Juan Hernandez
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Michael E
*Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:05 PM
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*Subject:* [program-l] Re: accessibility
Hi Juan,
Research Web Content Accessibility Guidelines by the World
Wide Web Consortium. The latest is 2.0. You will also want to
become familiar with Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act,
part of access-board.gov. Additionally, read through Creating
Nonvisually Accessible Documents
<https://nfb.org/images/nfb/products_technology/creating_accessible_documents.docx>.
Mike
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Hernandez
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*Subject:* [program-l] accessibility
Hi All,
I am developing an accessibility framework/ guidelines for my
company.
One of the sections is for external tooling. Can you guys
give me any pointers on this? What I mean by external tooling
is software that the company buys to use internally for Blind
and visually impaired employees.
Some of my questions are:
What is the best way to determine a software is accessible? What are some guidelines to follow for this? Etc...
I am trying to develop an accessibility policy for my
company. I have a section for static documents like word,
pdf, etc. How to determine that they are accessible, how to
make accessible documents etc.
Any pointers I would truly appreciate.
Best,
Juan Hernandez
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