In regard to VS "just freezing", does it go into the windows saying
the program is non-responsive mode or does VS continue to appear
normal but the dialog simply never appears? I run into the second
quite frequently and have to use the jaws+f10 window list to find the
add project dialog (same thing happens with the add new item dialog as
well). This only seems to happen the first time I run one of these
dialogs in a given jaws session (if jaws crashes then I have to use
jaws+f10 again the next time I add something).
On 10/23/18, Jordy Deweer <jordyydeweer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dante
It is mostly in self-written applications, as I didn't know about the
AutomationProperty. I am going to give it a try as soon as possible and
will reach out again when neededn.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely, Jordy.
On 10/23/2018 10:13 PM, Dante Gagne (Redacted sender danteg for DMARC)
wrote:
In WPF, there is a dependency property, namely** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
AutomationProperties.LabeledBy which you can databind by reference to
another control. So, consider the following snippet of XAML:
<Grid>
<TextBlock x:Name="ReferenceLabel" Text="Enter Address Here"/>
<TextBox x:Name="AddressBox"
AutomationProperties.LabeledBy="{Binding ElementName=textBlock,
Mode=OneWay}"/>
</Grid>
In this case, the first TextBlock has a name specified and the TextBox has
an automation property set on it that indicates the association between
the two. It sounds like JAWS understands this relationship and when it
encounters a TextBlock (or any Text entry control) that exposes this
automation property, it knows to follow it to the given label and read the
text. Developers could also choose to bind the HelpText to the Text
property of the label or any other similar relationship.
This one feels like one that's worth referring to NVDA. My concern,
though, is that I'm not 100% sure this is called out in the UIA
specification. And if it's not, this might be a solution that's limited
specifically to XAML based applications.
As far as the braille display, I'm not 100% sure of the expected behavior
here. If keyboard focus were to go to the TextBox I described above, what
should be displayed on the Braille display? The current contents of the
box? The label describing the box? I'm not entirely sure how it should
behave and my gut says that this is a configuration on how the screen
reader works with the Braille display, isn't it? You'd click something on
the keyboard to tell the braille display to switch from one value to the
next, correct?
--Dante
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:42 PM
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Subject: [program-l] Re: VS2017: Two issues
Hi Dante and others
WPF itself has (using NVDA) an issue with field labeling. It is namely
impossible to see the label for a TextBox in braille when using NVDA. In
Jaws, the labels are correctly shown.
Do I need to link the labels to the TextBox - as we need to do in HTML to
make sure that screen readers find the right label - or should that work
out-of-the-box? If we need to connect them: how?
Thank you in advance for any response.
Sincerely, Jordy.
On 10/23/2018 8:20 PM, Dante Gagne (Redacted sender danteg for DMARC)
wrote:
Jaffar, the freeze that you're seeing... is that with Azure DevOps" ay+ -faq=
(VSTS)? And do you see that lock with both NVDA and JAWS? If that's true,
then this *IS* a much bigger issue than I thought. I'm not aware of a
freeze on new project solution creation, but if you're running into it, I
want to know more.
Additionally, more fuel to put on the fire to get the WPF guys to address
the situation would be useful.
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:42 PM
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: VS2017: Two issues
Hi. This is negatively impacting screen readers in more ways than
anticipated. I usse both NVDA and Jaws, and in my case VS2017 freezes at
the stage where a new project solution has been created. It would be
interesting to know if there is such a great difference in the code base
from the 15.76 to the 15.87.builds. Hope this gets resolfved soon.
Cheers!
On 23/10/2018 2:49 AM, Dante Gagne (Redacted sender danteg for DMARC)
wrote:
It is, unfortunately, a known issue, and it's a very deep issue in the" ay+ -faq=
way that WPF and JAWS interact with each other. And, unfortunately,
since it is such a deep issue, it's been taking FAR longer than it
should to get it fixed. I really wish I had better news about it. It's
easily the single biggest item I'm embarrassed about and one of the most
impactful to folks who use JAWS specifically.
I'll dive into it again and see if I can get the glacier to move.
--Dante
Senior Program Manager
Microsoft - Visual Studio
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From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:08 PM
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: VS2017: Two issues
With jaws you can avoid it by using the jaws cursor and seeing that it's
there and shift+tabbing rather than tabbing so you never focus on the
notification but honestly I usually forget and have to restart VS.
It has been in VS2017 from the beginning although it's much more
recently that I took the time to inform MS and got a known issue
response.
On 10/21/18, Jordy Deweer <jordyydeweer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Soronel Haetir wrote:--
The notification crash is a known issue and so far as I know
we're
still waiting on a fix.
Are there ways to avoid crashing? And how long has it been going on?
On 10/20/2018 10:39 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
The notification crash is a known issue and so far as I know we're
still waiting on a fix.
On 10/20/18, Jordy Deweer <jordyydeweer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear all
I have two issues with Visual Studio 2017 (Community).
The first problem is the following: when I work with the Team
Explorer (to manipulate Git), everything works fine, until I commited
something.
After commiting, an extra part in the window appears, which
ontains notifications. If I press Tab to go back to the list of,
for example, unstaged items, I need to pass-by that notifications
area.
But, VS crashes as soon as the notifications area gets the focus
(using tab). Is that a known problem, can it be resolved by a
modification in the settings, etc.? When tere are errors and I try
to read the notifications from the Team Explorer window, the first
line goes well, but as soon as I press one of the panning buttons
on my Focus 40 Blue (4th Gen) braille display, everything crashes
as well, just like it does when tere are no errors and the
notifications box get the focus...
My second problem is that, when I am using JAWS 2018 to edit code,
it happens that the braille stays on the "mnu text editor" message
of IntelliSense, while I am back in the code itself with my focus.
The speech works fine though. I tried maximalizing the window,
restarting everything, but it did not resolve the problem. Hereby
needs to be said that it doesn't always happen. When I am in
trouble, a simpel restart of JAWS is enough to solve everything-
until it happens again.
Is there a way to solve the above problems or will there need to
be bug fixes in Visual Studio?
Thanks in advance for possible replies.
Yours faithfully
Jordy Deweer
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