Hi,
I'm afraid I have to disagree completely regarding the approximate
inaccessibility of .NET for web development.
firstly, as JAWS and other screen readers are in the early days of
supporting Visual Studio 2010, I would recommend that during the learning
process, Tyler sticks with Visual Studio 2008 until the JAWS bugs are ironed
out.
I use Visual Studio 2008 for my professional web development, and I've not
had any issues at all. Now, you're probably going to say, but that costs
money. No, it doesn't. There's the free Visual Studio Web Developer
Express. For hosting, Microsoft have now released IIS Express, so you can
download and install a free version of IIS. Naturally it won't have all the
enterprise features of the full product, but you don't need all that when
you're starting out. Alternatively, if you have windows 7, you have IIS 7.5
available anyway, so just go into the Programs manager and add IIS from the
Windows components.
I've builtASP.NET web applications, web services an Windows Communication
Foundation services without any problems.
I would recommend getting familiar with ASP.NET 2.0 and 4.0, as those are
going to be the most frequently asked for. What language you use is
entirely up to you. You could use Python.NET, PURL.NET and a host of others
if you really want. But if you're using Web Developer Express, then C# and
VB are the ones available.
I also recommend looking at windows Communication Foundation (WCF), and the
new REST model introduced in .NET 3.5 and extended in .NET 4.0. for that
you would either need to hand code in a text editor of your choice and use
the command line compilers, or obtain a cheap licensed copy of Visual
Studio, as I don't think you can build WCF applications with the Express
editions. The advantage of WCF is that you don't need a web server at all,
as you can write your own host in very little code as a console app, Windows
forms/WPF app or even a Windows service if you want. You can of course use
IIS to host it too though.
It will also be worth looking at ASP.NET MVC, AJAX and Silverlight.
You don't have to use Visual Studio at all to build ASP.NET, or indeed any
.NET application. You just need the free compilers and other SDK utilities,
and a text editor you're happy with. There are plenty of blogs and articles
out on the web giving examples of building web sites without Visual Studio.
Most of my web work recently has been in building web services for
interoperability. So getting familiar with SOAP, REST, MTOM streaming and
all kinds of standards and protocols will stand you in good stead,
regardless of which platform you choose to use.
All the best,
David
David Lant
Applications analyst
MCPD Enterprise Application Development 3.5
MCTS ASP.NET 3.5, ADO.NET 3.5, Windows Communication Foundation 3.5, Windows
Applications 3.5
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: 18 May 2011 08:59 AM
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: Real-world coding examples?
Hi Tyler,
Please keep reading for my reply.
On 5/18/2011 10:05 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
I'm curious what's up with asp.net? Only thing I can think of is lack
of hosting--having a host where I can play with things is expensive.
Linux is free, so it costs less, I doubt I"ll have a virtual server to
play with because I have to pay for a license for windows.
I personally find the .net framework hard to navigate, and not usable
without Microsoft's own IDE. Yes, it is doable, but you have to write a
lot of code that you would never write in PHP. For example, in SmarttNet
(where I am employed at) we use Yii, and Yii's code generation is
through a very accessible web interface. Now, compare this with the
inaccessible (well, to be fair, partly accessible) Visual Studio 2010.
I've tried it. I know. :)
Anyway, python's got django and flask, I need to get better with
django, and learn a lot more about wsgi. I will take a look at the
frameworks you've suggested for PHP; all of the work I've done I just
wrote from scratch. IT's doable obviously, but it kind of kills any
hopes of rapid development.
Of course. Now that I'm into frameworks, I will never, ever, start a
project without Yii. I've written Yii applications in less than a month
of coding. Plus, frameworks standardize PHP a lot (E.G. they add the MVC
model, which means you can work on the model and controller while your
colleagues work on the HTML/CSS/Javascript interface). This is perfect
in companies like ours, which is run using the SCRUM software
engineering model.
On 5/17/2011 11:12 PM, Parham Doustdar wrote:
Hi,
I have done web-development and have looked for jobs in web
development for most of that time. The most accessible option you
have are languages that are not in the family of .net languages. I
personally prefer PHP for its simplicity (keep in mind that you have
to learn a framework after you learn PHP), and I hear Ruby and Ruby
On Rails (which is a Ruby framework) are nice too. You could also
doweb development with Java and its J2E framework, Python (I forgot
the name of the framework for that one) and Perl. Out of all of
these, I personally would go for PHP (its syntax and most concepts is
very, very similar to C++), but since you've used Python, you could
also go for that. If you do decide to go for PHP, I recommend the YII
framework or the CodeIgniter framework. Both are nice, but YII offers
more features.
On 5/18/2011 2:18 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
Hello all:
While I have 3 months or so off, I wanted to learn as much as I
could during that time.
I know I'm fairly good with c++, and my skills are so-so in python,
but I want to start working out of the domain of mud development.
I'm pretty good at figureing things out and adding new features and
the like, but I really highly doubt I'm going to make my living as a
mud developer.
So, I have a couple of questions. I want to get into web development
more, c#, and more. What is most used? What kinds of
problems/programs are people being hired to work on? I know that's a
rather broad question, I'm just trying to find some sort of starting
point that I can keep learning more, so I'm not totally clueless.
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